From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:52:53 +0900 Message-ID: <87tyu3r96y.fsf@xemacs.org> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <87aavwrw0r.fsf@xemacs.org> <87bpgbgbpk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87y6jfrh4w.fsf@xemacs.org> <87zl3vetpo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <877hqzvmec.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264858924 30416 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2010 13:42:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul R Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 14:42:01 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDaK-0007As-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:42:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39140 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDaJ-0001Yh-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:42:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDZG-0001IV-5C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:40:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49161 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDZF-0001I9-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:40:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDZB-0004tb-Q0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:40:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:47429) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDZ9-0004sV-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:40:48 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D6E1535AC; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:40:45 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17371120643; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:52:54 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <877hqzvmec.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120695 Archived-At: Paul R writes: > Is there an official "emacs 2" page (or project) where emacs people can > elaborate on how they would design emacs, if they had to start it from > scratch today ? Dunno. Some references for you, though: The Emacswiki (http://www.emacswiki.org/), especially the ExtensionLanguage, WishList, EmacsImplementations, and History pages may be of interest, and a good place for such a resource. Ben Wing's Architecting XEmacs is "official" (as much as anything can be in a free software project) but for the wrong Emacs (http://www.xemacs.org/Architecting-XEmacs/). The XEmacs Internals manual is probably the most detailed description of current Emacs implementation, although again it's the wrong Emacs (and partial). (http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/internals.html). > For exemple, I am amazed by the success of the Xmonad window > manager in this field : dynamic community, good documentation, > robust and correct behaviour. I wasn't. They knew what they wanted, the problem was well-defined, and that community is oriented to correctness-by-design. Note that Emacs is none of those (google for xwem.el and Emacsspeak and tell me again anybody knows what Emacs users want and the problem is well-defined :-), and the first two "is nots" are inherent in the problem domain. The third could be changed, but seems unlikely. The "kaizen" style (continuous improvement and extension of a simple idea and initial implementation by dynamic hacking) has served the Emacs community well so far.