From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: smtp crap Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:08:22 +0900 Message-ID: <87ty7kjkvd.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318039713 28402 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 02:08:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 02:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 04:08:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKz-0005c3-3z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:08:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKy-0007W8-E7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKu-0007Vz-Ma for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKt-0000j0-Is for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:08:24 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:44540) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKt-0000it-7N; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from 61.245.23.167.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([61.245.23.167] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1RCMKs-00015b-CR; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:08:22 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D335DFB7; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:08:22 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Original-Lines: 25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.74 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144726 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80217 Archived-At: Why does emacs _keep_ asking me if I want to "Set up Emacs for sending SMTP mail"?! My computer has a MTA, it works; if Emacs tries to send smtp directly, it very possibly _won't_ work[*]. So this question isn't just annoying, it's harmful. I kept answer "n" to this question, but just now I accidentally answered "y" -- and now only did that one piece of mail end up in the bit-bucket, but emacs now seems to be in a state where it thinks I want to use smtp -- it keeps asking me for an smtp server -- even though I've changed the variable (`send-mail-function') back to what I guess it should be (`sendmail-send-it'). Ok, I needed to _also_ change back `message-send-mail-with-sendmail' (why?). [*] the ISP's smtp server is picky: you need both authentication (postscript does this; does gnus?) and to be careful about the envelope sender -- it has to have a valid hostname, which the system hostname is not (blame NTP...). -miles -- Conservative, n. A statesman enamored of existing evils, as opposed to a Liberal, who wants to replace them with new ones.