From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 04:33:01 +0530 Message-ID: <87txnjs1ne.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> <83mwtef9f5.fsf@gnu.org> <87vc82unsw.fsf@gnu.org> <20130405113711.570a542f@anarchist> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365289411 3268 80.91.229.3 (6 Apr 2013 23:03:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Barry Warsaw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 07 01:03:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UOc8w-00038g-JV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 01:03:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41644 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UOc8w-0003LP-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 19:03:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34639) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UOc8q-0003LA-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 19:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UOc8n-0006WH-0A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 19:03:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com ([209.85.192.181]:57702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UOc8m-0006VI-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 19:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id y10so2577007pdj.12 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Y1hGtyv5URj0/0xI4mZMZUrBha4y7G8o6XhLQWbYDc0=; b=PD1fNqR7KrNaPX4SXE3CLEhs4yjcMCVIliczJAl+VlRgcvon+JWGS0RcYmOaW2P4bM PClQR0aO136vkqeZzs362sCZCb6xW2UhArOqR9OhKpUb0wwVboA1LVL8HS3JmI1DRNbq eSdW932OH4kPY8C3ujR2YYCTJlzu+WRnxQO8M+2xHpwQxhSABrs/1GQzqOGL/JkW1/75 ptM3AEblqXqJidBbPVb1gOGC0e4U+8kIpYAPDhSoKXnxwKpEWYIXxBlfLeWIDdkFuX9a oo1BhtVsimxjcxs7iYRVxRHpKE9lHGKz9JAG0A1bXXN7vzdQIFCYupbpXULTNh4DcHjv GC4Q== X-Received: by 10.66.171.132 with SMTP id au4mr23533127pac.11.1365289399559; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.98.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef3sm23410395pad.20.2013.04.06.16.03.16 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130405113711.570a542f@anarchist> (Barry Warsaw's message of "Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:37:11 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158738 Archived-At: Barry Warsaw writes: > If I have a nasty itch to scratch, I have to just suck it up and learn the > basics of all that in order to provide a patch or branch that is valuable > enough to upstream Before I could land my first patch in Orgmode, I had to pick up Emacs Lisp, Git and also LibreOffice. That is 3 barriers, right away. My first patch to Emacs was a diff against a file which was downloaded from Loggerhead. > I'm *much* more concerned about the workflow, efficiency, and comfort of the > project leaders, the people who are doing the bulk of the development work, > reviewing and accepting branches and patches, making releases, etc. Well said. > OTOH, the sentiments above do count, in the sense that as a contributor, you > are volunteering your time too. Maybe you choose to only contribute to > projects that use Ruby on Mercurial and only run on Debian ARM devices. > As a volunteer, that's your prerogative. Volunteers have the right to place conditions under which they can contribute, particularly if the volunteer is a regular and is of some standing and has reasons to believe that his views will atleast be read. It is OK to lobby for one's and one's kin's interest or act in manner that is political and wield both carrot and a stick. There will be less discord, if such moves are considered for what they are - political. ps: Please, don't flame me for expressing my views here. > -Barry