From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r114483: * term/ns-win.el (ns-initialize-window-system): Set locale-coding-system Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:12:31 +0900 Message-ID: <87txh0qsbk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <65FF6AAC-E4BE-42FD-86D4-221842DDC479@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380683569 375 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2013 03:12:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 03:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 02 05:12:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VRCrq-0002Up-6A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 05:12:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33663 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRCrp-0005ee-LS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:12:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42725) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRCrg-0005eU-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRCrZ-0004a2-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:12:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:54919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRCrY-0004Zn-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743F2970A0D; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:12:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D1731A348A; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:12:31 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163789 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > IIUC the encoding used under Darwin for filenames is always utf-8. In practice, yes, in theory, no. *Darwin* is just a BSD *nix kernel (more precisely, FreeBSD kernel functions wrapped around a Mach microkernel), and at that level, they're just byte sequences. Mac OS X defaults to a file system which enforces UTF-8, that's all. But consider NFS mounts (whatever the remote system wants) and removable media (most often VFAT with some bogus Microsoft encoding). > More to the point it uses NFD canonicalization, performed by the OS > when needed; Sort of true, for values of "when needed" == "when the actual filesystem is HFS+".