* Eshell and lexical bindings
@ 2013-10-31 15:27 Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-10-31 15:31 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-10-31 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Nathan Trapuzzano @ 2013-10-31 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
I'm thinking about implementing optional lexical evaluation of forms
given to Eshell. My intuition is to just use the buffer-local
`lexical-binding' variable to determine whether or not to evaluate forms
with lexical bindings. Does anyone have a better idea?
Nathan
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-10-31 15:27 Eshell and lexical bindings Nathan Trapuzzano
@ 2013-10-31 15:31 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-10-31 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Nathan Trapuzzano @ 2013-10-31 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Nathan Trapuzzano <nbtrap@nbtrap.com> writes:
> Does anyone have a better idea?
And would anyone that already knows the code like to volunteer?
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-10-31 15:27 Eshell and lexical bindings Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-10-31 15:31 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
@ 2013-10-31 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-01 10:22 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-10-31 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nathan Trapuzzano; +Cc: emacs-devel
> I'm thinking about implementing optional lexical evaluation of forms
> given to Eshell. My intuition is to just use the buffer-local
> `lexical-binding' variable to determine whether or not to evaluate forms
> with lexical bindings. Does anyone have a better idea?
I'd venture a guess that you can change to lexical-binding all-hog and
no user will notice.
Stefan
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-10-31 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-11-01 10:22 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Nathan Trapuzzano @ 2013-11-01 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> all-hog
What is this?
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-11-01 10:22 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
@ 2013-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-01 12:39 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-11-01 21:32 ` Stephen Berman
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-01 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nathan Trapuzzano; +Cc: emacs-devel
>> all-hog
> What is this?
I'm not a native speaker, and have never really learned the exact
meaning, but my understanding of it is a mix of "all the way",
"bluntly", and "without looking back".
Stefan
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-11-01 12:39 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2013-11-01 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-01 21:32 ` Stephen Berman
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From: Nathan Trapuzzano @ 2013-11-01 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>> all-hog
>> What is this?
>
> I'm not a native speaker, and have never really learned the exact
> meaning, but my understanding of it is a mix of "all the way",
> "bluntly", and "without looking back".
Will no one notice because no one uses it?
By the way, IELM already does evaluation with lexical binding according
to the value of lexical-binding. I didn't know that. I think I'll just
use ielm instead of eshell.
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-11-01 12:39 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
@ 2013-11-01 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-01 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nathan Trapuzzano; +Cc: emacs-devel
>> I'm not a native speaker, and have never really learned the exact
>> meaning, but my understanding of it is a mix of "all the way",
>> "bluntly", and "without looking back".
> Will no one notice because no one uses it?
No: because the code that a user is likely to type there will behave the
same regardless of `lexical-binding'.
Stefan
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-01 12:39 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
@ 2013-11-01 21:32 ` Stephen Berman
2013-11-02 6:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2013-11-01 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Nathan Trapuzzano, emacs-devel
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 08:30:01 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>> all-hog
>> What is this?
>
> I'm not a native speaker, and have never really learned the exact
> meaning, but my understanding of it is a mix of "all the way",
> "bluntly", and "without looking back".
FYI, the phrase is "whole hog", typically in the idiom "go whole hog"
(in American English; in British English the idiom is apparently "go the
whole hog"). It's similar to "go all out", which you may also have been
thinking of.
Steve Berman
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* Re: Eshell and lexical bindings
2013-11-01 21:32 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2013-11-02 6:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2013-11-02 6:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephen Berman; +Cc: Nathan Trapuzzano, Stefan Monnier, emacs-devel
Stephen Berman writes:
> FYI, the phrase is "whole hog", typically in the idiom "go whole hog"
> (in American English; in British English the idiom is apparently "go the
> whole hog"). It's similar to "go all out", which you may also have been
> thinking of.
I think in this case Stefan's exact meaning would likely be captured
by "go for it" (or more CC ("commercially correct" :-) but not as
exact) "Just Do It".
The "whole hog" has somewhat sloppy connotations, BTW. I'd never say
that *to* one of my contributors with the meaning of "go right ahead
(do whatever you want)", though it surely would be appropriate to say
*of* Ben Wing that he frequently "goes the whole hog." :-)
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