From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:31:50 +0900 Message-ID: <87tx3dpul5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mw97rjwm.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <8761fvn8io.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87egujahw6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wq8bd8w2.fsf@netris.org> <87y4sr909s.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppe3lbkr.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87oatn8dqz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87eguili20.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87siiy7e0p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761ftrki2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpl7ubo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412839964 14712 80.91.229.3 (9 Oct 2014 07:32:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Mark H Weaver , dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Andreas Schwab , Eli Zaretskii To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 09 09:32:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xc8DD-0002kI-CY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 09:32:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40885 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xc8DD-0001cV-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:32:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xc8Ct-0001Tk-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xc8Cl-0007Qm-Sf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:51766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xc8CV-0007Na-WC; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:31:52 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994891C39F1; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:31:50 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B16A1A2888; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:31:50 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87bnpl7ubo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175170 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > > who may lose their life savings if a filter for 419 phish fails > > Can we have terrorism with that scaremongering? Are you really unaware that such exploits happen every day? You're not the only programmer who deprecates security because *your* applications are "secure enough" and it "can't" happen to you, you know.[1] That's *why* those exploits are possible -- because some of those good honest folks were *dead wrong*, and all too often we don't know which ones were wrong until somebody gets scammed. > If you keep confusing the responsibilities of platform, application > and user, you arrive at a system you have to work around with > constantly because it knows better than you what you want. Unfortunately, I'm not the one who lacks understanding. I'm well aware that security is costly in convenience and functionality. Nevertheless, I am willing to suffer those losses (which will be far less than your exaggerated fears), and advocate imposing them on you as well, because I'm aware of the consequences of doing otherwise. Footnotes: [1] Heck, that's what the devils at the top of Tokyo Electric Power Co said as their Fukushima reactor blew its own roof off, and they *continue* to say that such accidents are "unimaginable".