From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] sequence manipulation functions Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:29:26 +0800 Message-ID: <87tx23sxah.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oasmmwzt.fsf@gmail.com> <87bnolslph.fsf@gmail.com> <87zjc2dic0.fsf@gmail.com> <87ioimtzu0.fsf@gmail.com> <87lhngcnrc.fsf@gmail.com> <87k330cj3u.fsf@gmail.com> <87ioikcf39.fsf@gmail.com> <87h9y4c93e.fsf@gmail.com> <87389oggab.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415842218 22590 80.91.229.3 (13 Nov 2014 01:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 01:30:18 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 13 02:30:11 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEh-0003Dh-FY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:30:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57427 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEh-0000Ar-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEW-0008S6-Tv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:30:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEN-00088F-8Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:30:00 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34676) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEN-000886-2d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:29:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XojEL-00034j-I6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:29:49 +0100 Original-Received: from 221.222.154.121 ([221.222.154.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:29:49 +0100 Original-Received: from sdl.web by 221.222.154.121 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:29:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 221.222.154.121 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoAgMAAADxkFD+AAAADFBMVEUvT09qWs3/pQD///+J kUVcAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMLOd3veKQA AACuSURBVBjTldE9CgIxEAXgB+lEyFUC2wo5ikdZ8DSypxhMY7H9VuIVwlqkGRgnm59VsHGafIQ3 CZlAtmKIRaHETgYa12lqvEsPYKf8wXHsPGfqPaUM0g9aJPKFXkmNQmSDqwzz4Fpgpz+6WAPY2z5o uPJJpu0uypcl4nyCibMLQ8lCiVjayLoQvw5LsVKQuHPRR958HZbOcVsKeepcLxpByjycGvnKmY+c MBvrtyjfe0vmuLvdq/kAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (CentOS Linux 7 (Core)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jK7dGKHyhotoZ2CInNOEoNyzAek= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176867 Archived-At: On 2014-11-12 23:17 +0000, Nic Ferrier wrote: > I think it's incredible that this is being considered. > > Surely a better option is to put it into elpa.git and recommend it's use > for at least a release? rather than just putting it directly into emacs? > > I don't understand why that is a good model at all. Indeed this also confused me greatly. Folks, what are we doing here? If we were to model another set of list/seq routines after other functional languages, we need an undertaker that is willing to provide a more complete initial version and hopefully introduce a few new features to make it more appealing. It should probably base off some language such as clojure/haskell but also review similar libraries in other languages with elisp in mind. i.e. someone who is set out to provide a >80% solution with consistency and the community in mind. The author of cl/cl-lib did a great job to make it a 95% solution. Yes it has ugliness here and there but it is unavoidable to a 95% solution within the constraint of elisp/emacs. I think if his goal were to provide a set of cl-like functions he would have succeeded more than competently 2 decades ago. Leo