From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:41:47 +0000 Message-ID: <87tx12mk8k.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4qfj2u9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54889A57.5060905@cs.ucla.edu> <87vbljb9f4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <54889F6D.6060408@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3w7b83a.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488C710.3000209@cs.ucla.edu> <871to7ayv9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488DC0C.2070402@cs.ucla.edu> <87d27qin2j.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87sigm4d8s.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vblih039.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418301861 23462 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 12:44:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 13:44:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz36L-000640-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:44:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz36L-0001UI-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:44:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz34G-0006r8-C1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:42:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz34B-00066A-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:36508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz341-00064K-RZ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:41:49 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz33z-0002i5-En; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:41:47 +0000 Original-Received: from jangai.ncl.ac.uk ([10.66.67.223] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz33z-0001bN-FL; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:41:47 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87vblih039.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:55:54 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179747 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> Again: Texinfo is not a relevant hurdle. Elisp is. >>> >>> Org most certainly would be a larger hurdle for me. >> >> Well, lots of people here are saying that texinfo is a problem, even >> if it is not for you. > > As long as I don't see those "lots of people" offering to contribute > non-marked up manual sections either, it is irrelevant whether they are > saying texinfo is a problem for them. At the risk of repeating a point that has been made before, yes, of course it is the case that for the majority of people who are actively using texinfo to produce documentation for Emacs, texinfo is not a problem. The incremental approach, however, of first enabling the use of org so that some of the documentation could be written using it and then transforming this to texinfo (to work with the rest of the tool chain) would be interesting. It would, for example, allow you to see whether org would be a problem for you in a real environment. If it works, then the eventual aim could be to throw out texinfo and replace it with org by simple virtual of writing a org->info exported (direct rather than through texinfo). Or removing info and using org->eww usable HTML for in Emacs browsing. Or, supplementing org with a "kiosk" mode, and just using the org source directly as a viewing format. If it doesn't work, then you will have been right all along. It's the reverse Yoda approach: "try or try not: there is no do". Phil