mailing lists and Cc:

mailing lists and Cc:

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>> Ivan Shmakov wrote:

	This is hardly of any relation to bug#20154 anymore, so
	s/20154@/emacs-devel@/.

[…]

 >> I don't seem to recall any issues with me trying to stick to the
 >> custom (of /not/ Cc:-ing) I've learned earlier;

 > Obviously _you_ won't see any issues.

	Should you check the bug-gnu-emacs@ archive, you’d see my
	follow-ups being replied to just fine.  And that’s exactly what
	I’ve meant.

[…]

 > Mailman has optional duplicate suppression, and so does any decent
 > mail client (eg Gnus).

	Mailman can also be configured so that it requires moderator’s
	approval for submissions from non-subscribers, so it makes sense
	to subscribe to a list even when you do /not/ want to receive
	any messages from it.  Note that it’s still possible to read
	many of such lists elsewhere.

	Now, you subscribe to the list – for your messages to go
	through; you disable delivery – so you can read the list via
	Gmane…  And you still get the traffic – thanks to Cc:.

	Not that it bothers me much; my point is rather that duplicate
	suppression is of no value here.  And no, I know of no way to
	configure Gnus so that it suppresses the messages from INBOX
	which are also seen in nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.bugs.

 > This is especially true for a bug list, where there should be zero
 > expectation for any correspondent to be subscribed.

	Actually, I /do/ Cc: the submitter when I suggest a fix or
	workaround to try, or when requesting for more information.
	(Provided that the submitter doesn’t also happen to be one of
	the emacs-devel@ regulars.)

 > I'm actually slightly surprised that

 > https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Mail.html

 > does not mention this.

	Care to suggest a fix?

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mailing lists and Cc:

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>> From: Ivan Shmakov  Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 16:15:48 +0000

	[This is hardly of any relation to bug#20154 anymore, so
	s/20154@/emacs-devel@/.]

 >>> Please keep the discussion participants in Cc, even if you prefer
 >>> not to receive the copy email.

 >> Curiously, per my experience, the practice of Cc:-ing the
 >> subscribers tends to be frowned upon when it comes to the lists
 >> dedicated to free software.  For the reasons I do not know or
 >> understand, Emacs lists are apparently an exception, though.

 > The lists that require you NOT to CC are a nuisance, IMO.

	I see no reason to agree.

	Anyway, they’re still better than those which mangle Reply-To:
	so to /force/ the subscribers not to Cc:.  And sure, Mailman has
	an option to do just that [1].

[1] https://gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html

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