From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Welsh Duggan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <87twp0d2xp.fsf@md5i.com> References: <563ABD66.6070700@yandex.ru> <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446727933 5618 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2015 12:52:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 13:52:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK1M-0005VH-OO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:52:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60304 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK1M-0000Vj-EX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:52:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55493) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK19-0000VW-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:51:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK15-0004gl-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:51:51 -0500 Original-Received: from md5i.com ([75.151.244.229]:44292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK15-0004gM-55 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:51:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=md5i.com; s=dkim; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:To:From; bh=+GXtHhqNFKtmAYD7KiJk15JPdxhqlSZkrkH62usC5N8=; b=pwPTcpJKU PBFP9mPZmgDbUBcVzvx1gObu7PB3nv9Ockpy2lS/kZXQ1lusIchn3jGeV3rCbqiTjUynaU5cfEeKA RjiwG04aUsUyjQzmbtTtuPChtg6KlucvddxDbW8fmc; Original-Received: from md5i by md5i.com with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuK14-0000yM-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:51:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:00:30 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 75.151.244.229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193291 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 11/05/2015 04:41 AM, John Wiegley wrote: > >> An exception to this rule is when a certain service (say, streams) should >> always be available, without requiring further installation of libraries. >> Emacs acts as a sort of "standard library" for Emacs Lisp, so the same kinds >> of things we'd like to have in such a meta-library, should be in core. > > Why not consider ELPA a part of the "standard library", too? Because it is not. I have often had to use Emacs on computers that did not have access to an Internet connection. To consider something part of the "standard library," I believe you should have access to it when Emacs is installed. This is why I dislike the move towards systems that only provide easy installation via network channels. (Python, this means you!) -- Michael Welsh Duggan (md5i@md5i.com)