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[69.165.151.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xb7sm3778038igb.21.2016.02.03.15.50.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:50:19 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sacha-kubuntu.local.sachachua.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sacha-kubuntu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAEB74AA29B; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 18:50:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:32:51 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 19:29:20 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199271 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: > I think a poll about this would be a good idea. There is enough > contention about having it as a default that we may prefer to wait, > especially since it does change the searching behavior that 24.x are > used to. What's the best method these days for conducting such a poll? > I wonder if these types of polls is something our community > ambassador, Sacha, would be willing to take ownership of... This approach from 2002 ( http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2002-06/msg00170.html ) of posting a lightly-structured e-mail-based poll so that people could either share a quick answer or a more nuanced opinion seems to still be a better way than, say, using a web-based multiple-choice poll. On-list discussion seems to be slightly more useful than quick off-list voting, although I think I can handle tallying quick votes sent to an address off-list if needed. Polling is a weird thing, anyway. You'll probably mostly hear from people who feel strongly about it, so I'm not sure how representative that will be for our user base. There are pretty good arguments on all sides in the current thread, so I'm not sure if you'll get that much additional information from a poll. Still, if someone wants to draft a poll, I can help with the grunt-work of distributing it (maybe emacs-devel, help-gnu-emacs, emacs-tangents, Reddit, and Planet Emacsen), tallying the votes, and maybe updating a proposal page with additional notes (maybe on EmacsWiki). Sacha