From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Deprecate TLS1.0 support in emacs Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:09:36 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87tw1n53rj.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87o9sp7qok.fsf@gmail.com> <87zic9vk98.fsf@mouse> <87fue17mo5.fsf@gmail.com> <87tw2hvhob.fsf@mouse> <8760ex63hi.fsf@gmail.com> <87fue1v5lr.fsf@mouse> <87shi0tqh3.fsf@gmail.com> <87d18fwl66.fsf@gmail.com> <87tw1rihu0.fsf@mouse> <4037dc81-4245-6925-842a-2c84a5ba996d@cs.ucla.edu> <87pocfibky.fsf@mouse> <873798j2ij.fsf@mouse> <87h8xobg9p.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83lgmzyjon.fsf@gnu.org> <87y3qz79wr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83vam3wfm7.fsf@gnu.org> <87zibf5czd.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501888245 22826 195.159.176.226 (4 Aug 2017 23:10:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 05 01:10:36 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddljh-00057j-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:10:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54681 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddljm-0005U8-UW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:10:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddlj8-0005OY-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:09:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddlj5-0007Ov-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:09:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52504 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddlj5-0007OP-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:09:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddliu-0002dI-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:09:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:QkIDlWneRZeN/CHkB4m2TdeeSus= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217308 Archived-At: On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:21:56 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> IMO, it isn't right to display notifications there from a program that >>>> runs in the foreground. Too far from user eyes, too. SM> Agreed. This functionality is for use when Emacs wants to notify the SM> user about something happening elsewhere than where the user is SM> currently focused. >> I respectfully disagree. Notifications don't have an implicit user >> attention scope. They are posted no matter where the user is focused, >> typically in a globally shared area of the screen to make them easy to >> notice and consistent in appearance. SM> But exactly because it's posted in a area independent from the current SM> focus, it makes it rather undesirable to use it for something that is SM> currently in focus. You're right, I see your point. Would it be acceptable to use the system notifications now, and start a bigger effort to provide an Emacs-native, focus-aware notification system? Or do you think such a system is easy enough that an intermediate stage is just not needed? SM> Can you give me examples where this notification area is used by other SM> programs for something related to the current user's action? In my SM> experience, in such situations they'll rather use something like SM> a tooltip, a dialog box, or some message shown within the application's SM> own window. I've seen it done for background actions that the user initiated. But you're right that typically this is inside the application. I was thinking of more generic notifications that are not bound to the user's attention scope. Ted