From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why is custom--inhibit-theme-enable not t by default? 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[91.140.91.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c53-v6sm7272736wrg.12.2018.06.13.07.01.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:01:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <48a7bd1277a18dd0a68d06cd8b022062.squirrel@dancol.org> (dancol@dancol.org's message of "Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:42:40 -0700") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226291 Archived-At: dancol@dancol.org writes: >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:14:49 -0700 >>> From: dancol@dancol.org >>> >>> A simple require of a package shouldn't have side effects, especially >>> not >>> ones as drastic as changing the entire appearance of the program. >> >> I think themes are special in this regard: loading a theme activates >> it. >> > > Why did we do it that way? Is it too late to change it? Loading _anything_ > shouldn't activate it. I don't see a need to carve out a special case for > themes. > > At the very least, we should make custom--inhibit-theme-enable a public > variable so people can let-binding something that lets them load theme > code normally without the expectation of serious side effects. Would this new variable / user option be able to serve as the default interactive value of load-theme's NO-ENABLE argument? -- Basil