From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Ricardo Wurmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252461 Archived-At: Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > I also don't think GNU projects are any good to make examples of. This is= my > general experience of seeing how new projects get under GNU umbrella to g= et > never heard of (which I attribute to points listed in my starting mail, s= ince > most of them are unspecific to Emacs). This is where I stopped reading and considering your points to be valid. There are countless things that determine whether a person will contribute to a project or not =E2=80=94 even projects that you =E2=80=9Cdo= n=E2=80=99t think [=E2=80=A6] are any good=E2=80=9D. Pinning a complex behaviour on commit message forma= t is beyond ludicrous. --=20 Ricardo