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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257353 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The number of digits in the line number can change a lot if you jump > to another place with M-g g or C-x C-x or some other similar command. That's true, but is also the case today (in huge files). I think the only way to see whether it's annoying or not is to try it out on people and see what they say. > And what about the "All/Top/Bot/NN%" part? Ditto. > And then there are optional displays, like display-time-mode etc. All the ones that display numbers (and don't change between numbers and non-numerical data) aren't affected in any reasonable font. > I rather think we should use align-to for all the fields. > Half-measures will come back to bite us down the road. I think we should just gather some feedback first and see what's annoying and what isn't. I've now used this for hours :-), and the only thing I've noticed being even remotely odd is the U:** switching to U:--, which takes much less space and draws the eye. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no