From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87tuuzarr4.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87pn5ny9e3.fsf@elephly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="374"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ricardo Wurmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 02:35:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8IE-000AY0-3y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:35:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53296 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8ID-0005Rk-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8Gj-0004Tu-5z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:57146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8Gh-0005Pp-Iu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:34:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=WPzhk4vbwNux8p7jUgmBkH4qI2AY50OguoMe/7TE0t0=; b=jpT9jnYuZlpatn4vDAZ9NqXbpH MepFm8Iq0qblofvsi5C5FTIH8KtoCmZ1KWiLJ19mSdb/n1vJZHz24v/NyJBNl8ZEsCnpiMPKkhMmF 7olSabsm2015oLw3CwRstiXfH1GeDRLB6o1I77/w4cZ3OV3i3dsjLA1Z9A+5gEuEiyx0=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8GX-0008GQ-9U; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:34:15 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX97RvMujjm0B79 7yHGlmVHNyD///+AP7kIAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+QKDQAbAr7jmf4AAAGFSURBVDjL bZRLcsMgDIaFaPcB23sQ7d6B9gCZOAdIZ7j/VSrwS5Boxk5GX6RfSCKg6DQPbKnaDAjVyPELNejU AiJjbAGpBchprHG4/34HSBYNx0StT0Ds95ZqLuyBMWRX0GlgieC6IsiqxDlIgtaERuvXsxRvTGi0 /i0Z14HujUQBkiQtgSCpq+og8uRr11809nNQU6s8IO0hugO7zGtLVtKWe5LzfLIfTA4QvOwTHYlC tNCRymbyATpSQEh1mHJO0ZWA5U6hTQUaCxmHGPr5aQwJYqIQO79OyIhw6JahKJDz4UWc/ah5K2uq KZ9WNaKNlAg+N9+SlyVDqYrQcq4DVCu7xA2kAvjKsNRky6dflzdWccL85LAnXPMzhrUwVvHcnmEq BbjvnK3bSg48D9LXXzflhxuvj78dsAF9jKP7uo1OjRODYyRlBj9ODTd2PTjVcQuB1GAA+Yu6PzDA fEao28WhuTh1zzw3eWuNsuDJzMmbc0VT/VOg7blI8G4Nd1BXTafW/gHuano+LqK1AQAAACV0RVh0 ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0xMC0xM1QwMDoyNzowMiswMDowMOq6kZQAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9k aWZ5ADIwMjAtMTAtMTNUMDA6Mjc6MDIrMDA6MDCb5ykoAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Figurine's _The Heartfelt_: "(untitled)" In-Reply-To: <87pn5ny9e3.fsf@elephly.net> (Ricardo Wurmus's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2020 13:24:36 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257506 Archived-At: Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Another thing I noticed is that only the active modeline has variable > pitch; perhaps all mode line faces (including mode-line-inactive) need > adjustment? I don't see this -- perhaps you've altered that face yourself? >> Other obvious candidates for variable-pitching are basically any mode >> that displays data in tabular form. And, of course, the manuals, but >> that'll happen by itself once we move from .info to .html. > > Will this move only affect Emacs? Yes. > Perhaps it would make sense to augment the Info format with extra > information, so that all Info documentation would look better in all > Info readers. That would require changing all those other Info readers, which isn't feasible. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no