From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Buffer-local process environments Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:44:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87tunpx9xw.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87eeets6jf.fsf@gmail.com> <8735v9yudx.fsf@gmx.de> <87y2d180a8.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34245"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Augusto Stoffel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 29 19:51:49 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcApJ-0008nS-H1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:51:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcApI-0003Qd-Kb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:51:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcAiC-0006U1-2u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:44:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:34145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcAi5-00086a-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:44:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1619718252; bh=GQ5ojNvQ3PNhyVTMD7SQ/3rmexY8myj1/h0YwxKf+Pk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=cP6l6uCoUXs1I1o5dxOHYspoFxZbURbOgKn+UOrQhQrh54Ti6JAjYok5+CZlz0R0W UUI01kbRLTESy8bhp/Bdf0yzOo9fwizUWILKkv+xQlLIFfz5wg4q0ESMYDIkEHeJr0 YgKjMMY/Tl0rqTGyQyyzs3YL2SzgqY++atAyRb78= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.91.249.85]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N8XTv-1lXn4P0NAf-014WTU; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:44:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87y2d180a8.fsf@gmail.com> (Augusto Stoffel's message of "Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:31:59 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:X28ZMtUNJRaqbJOHXFcwfNdpAVIkhyp52fSt4lwDZZ+KEvWFyYo 9W2Tkc7/hOrWCpRJXb5SWgGsE9cIIl6Xeu90Gtt9Y/ubkWBNd5RGF1uDHbHSFnb9FG5Jhvn J5AMNoeWykRe6TzfS7qwJR0IKKZFMYw/BobMBTyH7OjasvGSb4pan5WXPMXU6nUO7fj/M9Q ln1wtD4Z+U9LoCT9SfysQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CBgbo9ORtCE=:BkyaotNWrVmD1G7wduwZwX vx0Asb3zi5Zvqi06WbWOYJEixlPEuBpd+ZWv0vDwHGOUi/FMyWoicR+DbyTvs3sL81TUEo5uo lJnvZATQxpaoFXTAjBu+Xid165cuWa6UQj069olDSfk8VD3/hYXgD2ORBHdo3dcRsvNMNdSTe OwOCIIwgtZG7UgICoOlax9o7a+UsZCP9HSRZzOqkNmL9Q3yCI38YaSFzMLrqopIkhS3U+ZzS8 Ibo+FPzRUuWAjSVQtGvAWEFIG1z4QBtu+IZAUN6n2b5Ik7wjxRUkWEWMsENapEYr2KKw7uAD+ /b7928ckHtZuIQgANe2hS0gqArigxjzz927SzsLQdWTvefadckrFnLwh3bOm1m1YJJZqMti7u dxNqfrB0N4eimBM0+S2bBfmvBKIyUBKK6HQACKMT8QHE7TxZFCb0lirZTPzlQt3mBa0aE0p/j O9658neC+FLEey8EpJZ3ixOMKwmouwSRpLyLZQseXVPwvnmPWC/Ww18LylvWfXXBIp540u3dh U7b7Re0k1+9FHa6jtBt4ht7OIYcuTTAQHoemwkPLPkcrln10WeATgvnfBFPCXIzTT9dRjUDEa WsmfxQ16JxjsBmssscED6qmTB2t/UJy1s7HPIMCPS4AJgqKBtx9xt5L44JK8yA2SI/PBbdUcj 49hHbCE//IVnPRc/uSdL+02qO0JFCzWDbDSMDA3Dryca2JDzWJjlZeQ8ObcsejaYZK4Jlqto0 kKekqPcI0I+jmr5VmmNpZ9pdWVjcgXD0+6oymdkPD2tmFJYDbUKVkNyEG1GOEDtF9IajbM+V Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268631 Archived-At: Augusto Stoffel writes: > Hi Michael, Hi Augusto, >> Have you checked, that this works for remote processes? this is already > > In fact it breaks with remote processes, see at the end of my previous > message in reply to Stefan. > > But I think it's a Tramp bug. Tramp is supposed to completely ignore > `process-environment', right? So it shouldn't matter if that variable > is buffer local or not. No. See my reply the other message. Granted, it is a hack. I would be happy if we could use something else, but this is the state of affairs we cannot break reckless. >> hairy, and I fear it would be even more complicate. If we are going to >> change something in this department, I'd be happy to have also a >> rock-solid solution for remote processes. > > True. "Connection-local variable" sounds a lot like "project-local > variable" to me. Maybe there could be a unified mechanism. No, they are not project-local. For example, via connection-local variables you could specify which shell to use on remote. About the syntax ... Tramp is backwards compatible down to Emacs 25. Connection-local variables were introduced in Emacs 26. I'm all ears to new proposals, but we must ensure this compatibility. Best regards, Michael.