From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Augusto Stoffel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Increase default `line-spacing' to 0.05, 0.10 or 0.15 [proposal] Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 17:46:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87tunf50gu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871ramlbpy.fsf@telefonica.net> <87fsz1zmhv.fsf@gmail.com> <87sg30usa2.fsf@gmail.com> <83mtt8dvft.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6p8w0b7.fsf@gmail.com> <83h7jgdqhs.fsf@gnu.org> <8735v0hwt0.fsf@gmail.com> <83eeejevmn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4674"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 17:53:59 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1legK7-000168-BU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 17:53:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1legK6-0003zs-9q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 11:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1legD9-0004ZI-HT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 11:46:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x62d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::62d]:38529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1legD7-0003uN-Iw; Thu, 06 May 2021 11:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id b25so8958960eju.5; Thu, 06 May 2021 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IuNyOmQesYbSOQOJTVhj8fzKesyTRHd1dQzKNLgXnFE=; b=uR8ZDQ2AEu2MrjEzarfhT/gFn3GQOVf1mvw1Ai3oM1lWzQC651Bq68H9EmtxmewTdB B5AQldbjEbxpjg3z0sZVmDiYZexYuC/xrIz0lwu0x+1u4dZRaJyIOEUnRki8b91EHfO3 jm9PJHgKX6fR/C33+4Myn6Qwl4uk2TfhbsVtz4bzbT8j2El7fKsFCPatl4vbHx7kPQ4h mxw0CUIYOg9g3AlsrKNUg4xr/upgv99V4Z8H/WJffHzSubmJwLbGb1LrY8UD9wsck2c7 +q0Xo51tg602T5RqYcBiAsZStO/OG+gns4EVfmbonykZMEhU+jBK2rT67ApDbzhkLZFh Ez5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IuNyOmQesYbSOQOJTVhj8fzKesyTRHd1dQzKNLgXnFE=; b=inq2YTewPdJKTyiYSDQX4fLtnzHsbLcH2dTpnL8BYZRGDu+hVogkETdJBbluA4FWot 0wArJkVYwXYMxNVuv7uxEXqptNBz3ZaneJX2hEg/Of71bWqm72j4mFHFScPtqqNEqvz5 SFCvP7sAPNFZPk5QRlm6ehhBfJutLVqFG/CYV+td9z8axE8yvi95HrDpE2OtvjgHT1f8 0cQ1RyWzNSDxW0jIrGo9DZpjSp6WQbtCrm0ToUrAzC6k2NPdRMfbmtsUJSvIBgmdj5US pZ066gXTt9alHc+T1MOd5EuGJz4g9L+ZoJYH8DV9NUKIW0nbI214idc6XN/si9SEFDFI wDHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5334mkqkZGcvYSQCusxxBrtwyUWMwq93jHJ2a9p7Y02nIHUoL5Us 6rRfa3x+z8K0QFnK7GyhHhCm2ujUbus= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwo0y0XS2JE+XoUnsf+9ZqUMx2Kggdj3gnaz8H7TJy4ltZ1k+2cTL6ge9HML+mG34NOYyVzNA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:ecf4:: with SMTP id qt20mr5146166ejb.59.1620316003424; Thu, 06 May 2021 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ars3 ([2a02:908:2211:8540::68a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t14sm1591342ejc.121.2021.05.06.08.46.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 06 May 2021 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83eeejevmn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 06 May 2021 18:21:04 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62d; envelope-from=arstoffel@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x62d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268975 Archived-At: On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 18:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Augusto Stoffel >> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 14:27:23 +0200 >>=20 >> I've attached a PDF where the first page uses the default \baselineskip, >> the second sets it to zero. Which one looks more like emacs -Q? > > I only see a difference in the lines that are all dots. Did I miss > something? Yes. In the second page (\baselineskip=3D0pt), the text is very cramped in the vertical direction. Not pleasant to look at. Also, much more cramped than emacs -Q currently is if you use a reasonable font. And this is despite the fact that emacs -Q adds no extra space between lines. In the first page (default \baselineskip), the text is rather condensed vertically, but not to a degree that it becomes unpleasant. emacs -Q is rather condensed vertically, but not to the degree of being unpleasant. Paradoxically, TeX is using the equivalent of (setq line-spacing 0.2). Now, this is an aesthetics question, therefore subjective =E2=80=94 just li= ke the original subject of this thread.