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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270881 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Philip Kaludercic [2021-06-16 21:34:32] wrote: >> Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Wouldn't we all? ;-) >>> BTW, I'll take this opportunity to remind people that NonGNU ELPA not >>> only exists but would welcome help to include new packages (especially >>> important packages like Magit). >> I believe this question was already raised before, but I'd like to make >> sure if anything has changes, as I would be interesting in helping to >> improve NonGNU ELPA: What is to be done? How can one help? Is there >> checklist somewhere with what is missing, or do we just need to gather >> packages? > > The NonGNU ELPA archive is operational, so all we need is to add > packages to it. The main criteria: > - Important enough that we want them in NonGNU even though we can't get > copyright paperwork for it. > - Acceptable: can be used without (and doesn't advertise or promote) > proprietary software and only requires packages in Emacs or > GNU/NonGNU ELPA. >From browsing MELPA's homepage, these would be my suggestions: - pdf-tools - geiser - erlang-mode - web-mode - macrostep - cider - dumb-jump - multiple-cursors - haskell-mode - htmlize - paredit - json-mode - go-mode - rust-mode - editorconfig - yasnippet-snippets - wgrep - lua-mode - smartparens - evil and their respective dependencies. These have all more than 100000 downloads on MELPA, and are often mentioned in Emacs communities. I think adding more language support is self-evidently good (I am especially invested in go-mode, because the development of the package has stagnated). I'd have to check the number of contributors and the number of contributors with assignments first/number of contributors with significant contributions and no assignment. Some of these packages are based on a lot of little contributions (dumb-jump, yasnippet-snippets) that can easily exceed the 15-line rule, and trying to contact all the contributors can be pretty hard. Others are used by GNU projects and/or packages that are bundled with Emacs (Org has a weak dependency on htmlize, geiser is used by Guix). Other than these, there are a lot of themes around the 100000 downloads point, that also might be of interest. >> What is the procedure for adding or suggesting new packages > > At the minimum send an email suggesting a particular package (with > a URL to its Git repository). > Better if it comes with some argument why we want it. > Even better if it comes with a patch to nongnu.git's `elpa-packages`. I would be glad to contribute patches for all the packages I have enumerated above. >> (and what is blocking Magit)? > > Good question. My guess is that Jonas has just been busy with > other things, so you may want to ask him in which way you can help. > > Stefan > -- Philip K.