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[95.29.46.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t133sm1394242lff.58.2021.09.15.06.41.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 15 Sep 2021 06:41:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83k0jql32w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:39:51 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::232; envelope-from=andremegafone@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x232.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274741 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > [...] So all that's needed is to add a feature to info.el to display a > different set of keys given some state variable. > > Of course, the printed manual will still show only the standard key > bindings, and so will the HTML-formatted manual we put on the Web > site. I agree that the printed and HTML-formatted manual must be "standard". The suggestion of using a state variable also makes sense. But I brought the subject from another perspective. When a user runs (info-emacs-manual), shouldn't it reflect Emacs' state? Concretely, if I rebind C-x C-f to something else, the manual should tell me. It seems to me like a missed opportunity. In fact, there's work done in a similar vein. When users read the tutorial, they're warned them about rebounded keys. To my mind, the same should happen with the manual. -- Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"