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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275583 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 20:02:57 +0800 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>=20 >> > Which it is, don't you agree? >>=20 >> I think I should rephrase what I said earlier. I don't agree that it >> applies to what currently uses the `elisp' prefix, which is currently >> used by the likes of `elisp-byte-code-mode', and the `elisp-xref--' >> group of variables. >>=20 >> > Or how about elisp-symbol-shorthands? >>=20 >> That still has the `elisp' prefix > > But this feature is specific to Elisp, isn't it? The most common use of it is for programming Elisp, yes, like the most common use of the Lisp printer that comes with Emacs is also for Elisp. So after some thought, I would answer "no" here. They can be used for reading and printing things in other contexts where Lisp symbols are treated as data. But even if they aren't used in these ways, just the coherence to the 'print-*' variables and the existing 'read-*' variables is enough for me. Jo=C3=A3o