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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b639f82fa95c5ef8fa3704958c8e700b; Wed, 25 May 2022 04:46:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87k0aamhgw.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Wed, 25 May 2022 12:58:41 +1000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.44; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290233 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > This might be a reaonable argument when considering adding additional > support/integration, but falls short when referencing work which ahs > already been completed and has been part of Emacs for some time. If such a feature lands by mistake, our policy is to remove it until it is also available on a free system. That has happened many times, most recently with "tabbed windows" and color fonts on macOS. > Perhaps then your not the right person to address those bugs? Perhaps > they need to be addressed by someone who does actually use that > platform? Unfortunately, the "someone who does actually use that platform" recently quit. > The argument that leaving such functionality in place will encourage > users to use it seems somethwat flawed. This functionality is only > available if your running on that platform and if your already running > on that platform, encouragement to run on that platform doesn't amount > to much. I would also suggest far more enrouagement comes from having > support to build Emacs on that platform in the first place. > > It is also possible that having this support means users can actually > use Emacs to perform some tasks which would otherwise require closed > proprietary solutions or which would be easier to do with close > properietary solutions. Maybe this support actually enrouages users to > use Emacs instead of a non-free editor which has applescript support? That horse is already dead, and this is neither the place nor the time to beat it.