From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2022 03:26:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu4hzqrb.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <871qrm2eiu.fsf@gnus.org> <87k05d25rv.fsf@gnus.org> <87bkqp23be.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ttzrmp.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30148"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 06 03:27:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ogFg5-0007dr-8E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 03:27:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogFg3-0000ag-TO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:27:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogFev-0008IA-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:53412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogFet-00079L-Mk; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:26:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hFOhJjyNrCjpe+OBjeWmqLR1KzrFkmadauBrJMgwxg8=; b=GHlfWvmlxAKi1qPKSLX359pBw1 B7eyHRTSdYlw9bh10rUGYP7JnW1oX0gnX1Yid5zN+pRMbYmDXUC9tklfo7zhdByTR2v9EwTQOKvQX rpnYcLylub77sANT+hRxODC52Wh0hU7OSFH7g9z5BlhA3d2HkYuHULBayDP0/9c7yijQ=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ogFej-0005yd-It; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 03:26:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Andrea Corallo's message of "Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:19:24 +0000") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEVALivHt6WdiFr/ ///3u6Z8AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+YKBgEWOSFNQqoAAAF8SURBVCjPTdHBbqMwEAbg wRIr8GkPLeoRRXLF+imiPIEPHYR6QpFWInkKh1Oa0x5Kle7JQkkF85Qd27BaH8Afhp/xGFJhiqR9 SXtT5JCezGOyXeGv7XsE37eNSsxDvm1WtNXs8ZHbq5ZE5CYfUCTdRCPFNK0vpMkMB6CexmkiR4Q1 mEKOZk7MR8ro9WZ0UrhKqhcQlw3EIRoAu8wz+AmrNGXLM4Acf6suQtsBj6oOS/1wQGwUhph+PyC+ pnFFnJBX8oCqVIw/EWbkObrEo/rL03t99hD6sR4Od2MZWVappiba2x6hBPG27/R8sjsEAfJLZJrU bucDRguS3Ge/r5f6L+IutscFP/jddlrw/Pw/CoZb8XADG6BB2qcb9L5+mkBPcIPwSe5KxpVr4XE3 5a9OBohSmWrueCW0ShlJLcTcTF/FfPQVhlJq4MAdbxnAvaGVTpwhZAvk9m8m8BbTgBYyPphz+Cuf GeeWscwBQ8sicsSMd67/CVGsPdBe9Tc0joIls3rFKQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0x MC0wNlQwMToyMjo1NyswMDowMBhyfUMAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjItMTAtMDZUMDE6 MjI6NTcrMDA6MDBpL8X/AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Waitresses's _I Could Rule The World If I Could Only Get The Parts_: "I Could Rule The World If I Could Only Get The Parts" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297045 Archived-At: Andrea Corallo writes: > As you can see I said that the *two* mentioned knobs should be > sufficient for test repeatability, not that "--batch is the panacea for > repeatable testing". The two mentioned knobs are `native-comp-deferred-compilation' and `load-no-native'? And as I've explained, those are not sufficient, because trampolines are written to ~/.emacs.d/eln-cache even those two switched off. And you're being revisionist, because this is what you said: > I think the two previously mentioned knobs should be sufficient for > repeatable testing no? > > Also repeatable testing are most likely executed in batch mode and... > > ...surprise surprise deferred compilation is *already* *disabled* in > this mode!! > > I've the impression no one mentioned this small detail in this huge > thread, but still we have installed changes to disable a feature for > debian pkg installation that is in fact already disabled :( :( The latter is simply not true.