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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e6f2a100596ddce5e71e3b0b3dfa92b5; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 03:40:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 14 Apr 2023 23:36:32 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21365 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic311-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305317 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > But we need to keep focus on the aspects of this policy which are > worse than merely irritating. The adoption of this policy would make > the unmodified Rust compiler source code nonfree unless we devise a > way to remove all uses of the trademark, as trademark law understands > the concept. > > How MUCH alterattion that would require, and how much work that would > be, I am not sure. Would a global replace of `rust' with `lust' in > the source files of the Rust compiler suffice? It would include a > similar renaming of source file names. It would not be the minimal > possible change as measured by diff, but it might be the change that > is the least work. I don't know. > One would have the installation script create a symlink or alias from > /usr/bin/rust to /usr/bin/lust. Trademark law, from what lawyers have > told me, covers communications to human beings, not commands for > programs. > > Pu Lu, can you find places where discussion of this is happening, and > tell us? `Po Lu' please, thanks. Unfortunately, I can't really follow these issues. I have no idea where this discussion is happening. I wonder how GCC will deal with these issues, seeing as a Rust compiler is already part of GCC.