From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: hyperdrive (repast) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 11:56:31 +0000 Message-ID: <87ttsikqog.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87bkeucmu8.fsf@ushin.org> <87msyeow4z.fsf@posteo.net> <874jklk0rf.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <87jzte32as.fsf@ushin.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39379"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs Devel Mailing List , Adam Porter , Paula Maas , Protesilaos Stavrou To: Joseph Turner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 29 13:57:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaxLa-000A1p-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:57:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaxKy-0005eg-CM; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaxKq-0005eO-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:56:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaxKl-0007t1-1S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:56:39 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4644E24002B for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:56:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693310192; bh=dQgJoXYD2GpIo1O8n53LyR7E+tNEOVtIjFibtua/Z3c=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=MXMV+i/pesDejSwno/6V6W9bs/XXqQlCdNOtaf2VDfOyT0H2mXTFupbHSb6uj2Xzw d12Zd9PzuV+tSaB2GWUAt8TvvrwIlV2w1MZ69jD/FJO+hpo15Et6zu7SbWyyRROp3k UgMeVoOgBNz1IMqmgTM5+CIVfO0Z2I6sKOO57UtKevgKPPSU40qbMh8ZpSdlp+3r9v UGCqk4jetw7zwZavTCrL4dErMfI/TViXySBcqiC6YGhzh8z0tSQP5VgSLTPO4ETIUV HSmxzQmAavDMjnPt3a/k4g/Cc34+VDS9VK1YfhtFmq/c2Q3XQ8/iQEBwIOVUsUTU8z 4VirYUqdc4WNA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RZm9W2qNGz6tvs; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:56:31 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87jzte32as.fsf@ushin.org> (Joseph Turner's message of "Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:04:03 -0700") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309497 Archived-At: Joseph Turner writes: >> My main difficulty is understanding what Hyperdrive is... > > Hyperdrive is a p2p file-sharing tool (like Dropbox, but FLOSS and with > no third-party intermediary; like Bittorrent, but mutable and versioned; > like IPFS, but without CIDs and faster for mutable data). > > User story: Alice creates a new hyperdrive and adds some files. Her > computer returns a public key URL that uniquely identies the hyperdrive. > Alice shares that URL with Bob, who can then download Alice's files > directly from Alice's computer (no third-party servers are required to > route the connection - they find each other using a DHT or using mDNS if > they're on the same LAN). Bob can download some of Alice's without > having to load her whole drive. > > Data is distributed on the network; once Bob has loaded Alice's files, > Carol can get them from Bob even when Alice is offline. Drives are > mutable; When Alice adds/removes/changes files in the drive, Bob can > refresh her drive on his machine to get the latest changes. Drives are > versioned; anyone with the URL can "check out" prior versions of Alice's > drive to see what her files used to look like. > > There's more info in the manual, especially in the Concepts section: > > https://ushin.org/hyperdrive/hyperdrive-manual.html#Concepts > > There's also this talk at LibrePlanet 2023. Comparison of peer-to-peer > protocols starts @36:49: > > https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/emacs-for-p2p-deliberation/ Thanks! >> The second issue I have is that there is quite a lot of code, and >> I'd like to take a look at everything before I add anything. > > Take your time. I'm happy to get on a videocall to go through the code > together with you. That is not necessary, I'll understand what is going on, the issue is just finding the time to at least skim through everything once. > Thank you! > > Joseph