From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87ttpgcuz1.fsf@web.de> References: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jhi3qx3.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11938"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:dioAg8fo8/WTvL5hMTL1/DMKS/I= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 20 16:21:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r565L-0002yt-OB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:21:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r564f-0006hA-EM; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:20:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r564O-0006eU-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:20:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r564M-00066p-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:20:15 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r564J-0001dn-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:20:12 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313055 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > This is a representative microcosm of the wider Emacs userbase, I > think: for most are not hobbyists, or even employed programmers for > whom programming is also an avocation, but men working for salaries, > with bills to pay and families to... you can complete the rest of this > trite description. It is not representative for the people working on Emacs. Even less representative for the people working on the more complicated parts of Emacs like the implementation of the completion mechanism. > And it is they whom I canvassed. > > I sent a poll to 34 individuals, all in some capacity involved in the > maintenance of Emacs Lisp. Some of the questions asked were: > [...] Interesting results, thanks. This proves that the learning curve for `pcase' is steep. As is for Emacs. This is not such a surprise. Your poll doesn't measure whether it pays off or not. > > Interesting would be to hear concrete arguments, but we heard nearly > > none. "I'm angry" is not an argument. > > No one in this thread has been presenting indignation as an argument. Not like "this is my argument: ...", no. I meant I heard a lot of emotion instead of arguments. Michael.