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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322049 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Why "days"? how many Lisp files do you have that it could take "days" > top byte-compile them? Days to make everything work, not days to compile, but yes I do have quite a bit of additional files more than 300 I would say, that includes old pkg like bbdb-2.35, for which I have written various hacks, that do not work in more modern bbdb version mostly because of renaming variables and functions. > toggle-read-only is obsolete since Emacs 24, i.e. for the last 12 > years. > No, not easier. > Which is why we do it very sparingly and always after a very long > period of obsolescence. Many people think we are too conservative. 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