From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-30 baaf97ce1a1: ; Fix some ungrammatical uses of "allows to" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:09:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87ttf190qk.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> References: <86h6b1ewop.fsf@gnu.org> <86ed65eszj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6105"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 30 23:09:44 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8sJ-0001Ny-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 23:09:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8s7-0003Y0-Pq; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8s6-0003Xq-MP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8s5-00088h-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:09:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=HtP3GG//SAP5q637cO01Mf3iRqNap6NOj433k/GXwOmuGZfbXE42e+edj34iAG28jumubKQ1+NHL+AcsqHAg4GhOOG4+QZ40ISxnl/+R7X2XsidKW2/2M4XznGJkirYf3YRKS20+BbaYweqykul83CnKpvrw0njThIbqWJyevdO3lqxGE4wqr/RSYW8zYIXDvPg2S81/xr5JBQ7VL8wcOvykWeiPk3g/ADwLHGPFZuWQ/RUAhuAMTqgEic89YVDt2Hsylz6AcYmD1rrNcQWDy6pS/njKrFxuN7PKoSD5NS+ffmlKQ8h0H2p88VAsZpsg/8quIpKwi0uxxJhANBNLrQ==; s=purelymail3; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=MqYa+DiSa1vNpuIdfIAiZVrDYSXFI6gHr4qror9bI3w=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=nINvK6xmi49Cjq2COUOOT/tcpSKlrFlNcLqhsK8sFIJ1QYw7H74LsHGw4RK0+l9nbL9DOPtGETEz0CQFi/PZQyR8KaO1k6RaEUGgVXYcY0iVSwQUiUpgmsf9i0ptoxzYK2L5h+qyO206C08iV3As6C+0JRxQ6UX4FL+oLMXiDaBbnGzjXPkhnJu6ahfh1SPVBpLr5jciQV+XNJbUFyVEd9rTcSyw087BCbWYXMOM65xMZ39mTcEj1NDMnTD6QryGik1o02JXwt+wT8cSPUaIALxiBmQ2NewVYrW0/pWpGOQA3eYsE1waTWHYn2eLu3EkG5CCqKMfMe243P+Q+ghrDA==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=MqYa+DiSa1vNpuIdfIAiZVrDYSXFI6gHr4qror9bI3w=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -148856462; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Fri, 30 Aug 2024 21:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by zephyr.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BAF80940F37; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:09:23 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <86ed65eszj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:00:16 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323220 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 30 Aug 2024 at 10:00pm +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > This page disagrees: > > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/85069/is-the-construction-it-allows-to-proper-english No, people there conclude it's ungrammatical, and they explain why. Both the 19th century examples are not the form we're objecting to; it's not the mere adjacency of 'allows' and 'to'. -- Sean Whitton