From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: go to bottom of mail message Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:18:18 +0200 Organization: JURTA Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87smkkqtdx.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <200311191126.hAJBQY6C008722@beta.mvs.co.il> <200311191155.UAA15601@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069255835 24656 80.91.224.253 (19 Nov 2003 15:30:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 16:30:32 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMUHo-0003VC-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:30:32 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMUHo-0006jg-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:30:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMVEK-0004i2-IU for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:31:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMVAR-0003Nw-2h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:26:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMV9u-0003EM-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:26:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.246.52.22] (helo=ns5.tangramltd.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AMV79-0002In-9H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:23:35 -0500 Original-Received: from 80-235-43-216-dsl.mus.estpak.ee ([80.235.43.216] helo=mail.jurta.org) by ns5.tangramltd.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMU9b-0000VG-KH; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:22:03 +0200 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "19 Nov 2003 15:19:24 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns5.tangramltd.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jurta.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17920 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17920 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Kenichi Handa writes: >> (3) I prefer the key "/" than ";" for >> rmail[-summary]-end-of-message because "/" is usually just >> right of "." but ";" is usually right upper of ".". As "." >> moves point to the beggining, it seems strange to type the >> upper key to move point to the end. By the way, for me the >> ideal keys are: >> "," go to the beginning >> "." go to the end >> because my fingers already got used to "ESC <" and "ESC >", >> and "," and "<", "." and ">" are on the same keys. > > I don't use rmail anymore, but as a general note, you should > not make decisions like this based on a specific keyboard layout. > > For example, on a Danish PC keyboard, the three keys to the right of > "M" produces the following characters (shifted in the first row): > > ; : _ > , . - > > while < and > are on a separate key, and / is above 7. Right, my Swedish/Finnish keyboard has the same layout. But still keys "," and "." are located on the same positions on both layouts (two keys to the right of "M"). However, I suggest to make keybindings similar to those provided by Gnus. They are very handy. "<" go to the beginning of message ">" go to the end of message "M-<" go to the first message "M->" go to the last message -- http://www.jurta.org/emacs/