From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: adding consistent extra symbols to input methods (cyrillic-*, croatian-*, slov*, czech-* etc.) input methods Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:51:47 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87skuckusq.fsf@jurta.org> References: <86lk19mmua.fsf@lifelogs.com> <867ict8awn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tzfvj16y.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86lk12zee7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86r6acqbif.fsf@lifelogs.com> <864p76lp60.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87ej66ubkv.fsf@jurta.org> <8763rh73l5.fsf@jurta.org> <87ej5yqs5j.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fxqd4te3.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216073180 31606 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 22:06:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, tzz@lifelogs.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Miles Bader To: Kenichi Handa Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 00:07:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIWBX-0001Jp-Jd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:06:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41873 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIWAe-0003Q7-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:05:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIW8h-0002Bh-NM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:03:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIW8g-0002AZ-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56312 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIW8g-0002AS-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]:63412) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIW8V-0008H1-MS; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KIW8S-0006Oh-KR; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:03:08 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Kenichi Handa's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:43:24 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 7155bbd8d023de41950ebecbe4708355 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4315 [July 15 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100701 Archived-At: >> > activate-preposition-input-method -> activate-additional-input-method >> > inactivate-preposition-input-method -> inactivate-additional-input-method >> > local-input-method-list -> current-additional-input-method-list > >> Those names seem to have rather different implications though... > >> `activate-additional-input-method' makes it sound vaguely like the new >> input method will somehow be "equal" to the existing input method, >> whereas kenichi's name somewhat implies otherwise, that the new input >> method being activated is somehow "special" (and I think also suggests >> that it will be "subsidiary" to any main input method). > >> Which of those is true? > > My original patch intends that "preposition" input methods > are what handled before the normal input method (as > documented). I'm not sure if "preposition" is the right English word here. >> global-input-method-list -> remove this variable since there is >> no global variant of `current-input-method'. > > ??? A preposition input method can be activated globally > when recorded in global-input-method-list. In that case, in > any buffer, when you activate a normal input method, that > preposition input method is also activated automatically. > Isn't it useful? This is useful, but I think it should work exactly like a single input method works now, i.e. since a global single input method is defined by the variable `default-input-method', so an additional/preposition/subsidiary input method should be defined by a similar global variable like e.g. `default-input-methods' (note the plural `s' at the end of the name) or `default-input-method-list'. This also suggests creating a new similar buffer-local variable `current-input-method-list' (or `current-input-methods'). Why I propose to create these parallel versions is because when I tried to create UI to define multiple input methods it was obvious that they are really very similar variables. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/