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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-n and C-a
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:32:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87skn1fxaw.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bptqywpq.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:10:25 +0100")

>> The new definitions of C-n and C-p seem to work reasonably
>> conveniently with the very long lines that non-Emacs-users often
>> write.  However, it is very counterintuitive that C-a and C-e have not
>> been changed in the same way.
>
> I mentioned this inconsistencies before in
> <874p55z20j.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de>.  I was told that the current behavior
> was due to a consensus.  But still I don't like it, so I switch on
> `visual-line-mode' where everything operates consistently on screen
> lines.

In addition to inconsistencies and lack of convenient key bindings
there are also problems with the used terminology.  There are
two similar confusing names:

    line-move-visual
    visual-line-mode

The former defines half-real/half-screen line motion mode,
and the latter has a name that says nothing to most users.

I think if we want to achieve simplicity and intuitiveness
then we should have a mode

    word-wrap-mode

with a pair of variables to define variations for key bindings
and visual appearance.

By default, `word-wrap-mode' could bind C-n/C-p and C-a/C-e to
visual line motion commands, and also provide alternative keys
for real line motion commands when `line-move-visual' is non-nil.
But the nil value of `line-move-visual' could reverse the meaning
of these key bindings.

Another variant is to define a mode

    line-wrap-mode

with C-n/C-p and C-a/C-e bound to visual line motion commands and
`line-move-visual' behaving as described above.  And additionally
it could provide a variable `word-wrap' to define wrapping boundaries
(word vs non-word).

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-30  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-29 14:32 C-n and C-a Richard M Stallman
2009-01-29 15:10 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-29 16:09   ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-01-29 17:15     ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-29 19:40   ` Adrian Robert
2009-01-30  0:32   ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-01-30  1:20     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-30  9:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-31 17:45       ` Juri Linkov
2009-01-31 19:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-02-02  1:45           ` Juri Linkov
2009-01-31 20:33         ` Chong Yidong
2009-02-02  1:47           ` Juri Linkov
2009-01-30  7:25   ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-29 18:24 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29 18:48   ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-01-29 21:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-30 16:07   ` Sascha Wilde
2009-01-31 20:34   ` Chong Yidong
2009-01-30  0:29 ` Juri Linkov
2009-01-30  6:12   ` mail
2009-01-31 17:45     ` Juri Linkov
2009-01-31 22:35       ` Drew Adams
2009-02-01 20:11         ` Leo
2009-02-03 15:11           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-02-02  1:54         ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-02  2:25           ` Drew Adams
2009-02-02  9:45             ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-06  0:45 ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-06 16:04   ` Chong Yidong
2009-02-08  0:48     ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-08 20:08       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-02-09 21:22         ` Christian Schlauer
2009-02-09 22:02         ` Drew Adams
2009-02-10  2:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-02-10  3:11             ` Drew Adams
2009-02-11 22:45         ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-12  2:01           ` Miles Bader
2009-02-12 10:05             ` Juri Linkov
2009-02-12 11:04               ` Miles Bader
2009-02-13  6:33                 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-02-07  1:52   ` Stefan Monnier

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