From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Backward completions Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:27:47 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87skc9bt84.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <61C01A08-8FB6-4908-B9F1-B9F1CE3E3D92@gmail.com> <20091111212658.GD12012@headley> <87fx8kjosa.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <7b501d5c0911120209x7c8f493fm68fadef6f1311206@mail.gmail.com> <87bpj16pkh.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87tywsz9lb.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <33D4DB11B8C64C4CBF50DEDCA3CE7932@us.oracle.com> <87k4xn4tmz.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <873a4bf0hz.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <2C9382D7ABB64FD3890CF3482EFA3253@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258709932 25478 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 09:38:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lennart Borgman' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 10:38:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBPwx-0003ht-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:38:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47274 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBPww-0006qO-VH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:38:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBPwq-0006q9-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:38:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBPwm-0006pW-T2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:38:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46202 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBPwm-0006pR-Lo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:38:32 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-out3.starman.ee ([85.253.0.5]:60295 helo=mx1.starman.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBPwm-0004BC-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:38:32 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.34.117.cable.starman.ee [82.131.34.117]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E022E3F40DC; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:38:23 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <2C9382D7ABB64FD3890CF3482EFA3253@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:24:46 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117341 Archived-At: >> >>>> FWIW, C-v and M-v make more sense (yes, in the minibuffer too) >> >>>> for scrolling completions than do TAB and . >> >>> >> >>> Page Up/Down? >> >> >> >> and M-v are bound to `switch-to-completions', so >> >> they can't be used for scrolling. >> > >> > But normal scrolling keys would be more convenient for scrolling, >> > wouldn't they? >> >> Then you have to find a convenient key for switching to the >> *Completions* buffer (instead of and M-v). > > FWIW, Icicles uses `C-insert' to switch back and forth between > *Completions* and the minibuffer. (Yes, that key sequence is not > necessarily available on a console.) "Insert" is relevant here > (Icicles) because moving to the minibuffer inserts the completion at > point from *Completions*. There is a lack of the necessary command. There is a command to accept the completion in the *Completions* buffer (`choose-completion', `RET'), but no command to insert the completion to the minibuffer without accepting it. > One possibility might be to make `C-x o' move to *Completions*. > It currently does not do that directly, but you can usually get to > *Completions* by repeating `C-x o'. This is another problem. Sometimes `C-x o' doesn't move directly to *Completions*. And sometimes `M-prior' in the minibuffer scrolls the wrong buffer instead of *Completions*. I suppose this depends on the window order. > In general, it makes sense to use a key for this that is typically > associated with switching windows or buffers (e.g. `C-x o'), not a key that > is typically associated with scrolling (e.g. `M-v' or `prior' aka `PgUp'). > > And it makes sense to use normal scrolling keys (`C-v', `M-v') to scroll > *Completions*. I agree, but first we have to find a key replacement for `M-v' to switch to *Completions*. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/