From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Tabs (was: Next pretest) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:12:32 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87sk9uo8e7.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> References: <87fx5vef1j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <27296016.post@talk.nabble.com> <4B5C76B2.5080702@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264411193 7095 80.91.229.12 (25 Jan 2010 09:19:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "alin.s" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 25 10:19:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NZL6m-0004dk-Bw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:19:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51855 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NZL6n-0008Nh-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:19:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NZL4u-0007FJ-In for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NZL4q-0007B8-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45132 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NZL4q-0007B0-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:17:44 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-out4.starman.ee ([85.253.0.6]:40001 helo=mx2.starman.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZL4p-0002zq-WB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:17:44 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx2.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.30.13.cable.starman.ee [82.131.30.13]) by mx2.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910C33F4056; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:17:36 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <4B5C76B2.5080702@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:34:58 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120338 Archived-At: >> Tabs are also ready. For the console it's completely finished; for GTK I >> have to make the latests modifications. For Lesstif and Athena I just found >> some notebook widgets, and have to learn how to use them. > > Um. What sort of tabs? Last time I tuned in (some time ago), people had > very different ideas about how tabs should work. > > For my part, I presently have a half-formed notion they should be another > dimension for emacs window splitting along with horizontal and vertical, > and therefore an aspect of window configurations. Notably, I don't have > any working code though. This is one of possible tab uses that requires window grouping functionality and can help to implement Eclipse-like perspectives. > Another option which I looked into at one stage was toplevel-only tabs that > collected and switched between whole emacs frames. i.e. tabs "outside" > frames. The gtk+ notebook container widget model was particular suitable > for that approach IIRC, as it was sort of emulating a tabbed window manager > internal to gtk+, and gave you drag-drop and rearrangement for "free", but > I eventually thought the window splitting model was more emacsy > and general. Such toplevel tabs are useful to implement webbrowser-like tabs switching frames or window configurations. > The one thing I really don't like is the idea of tabs-as-list-of-buffers - > simply doesn't scale well to even my typical open buffer count (10s rather > than 100s.), and is a waste of what could be a more versatile ui feature > for the likes of IDE-type modes. tabbar.el successfully implements the idea of using the tabbar to switch buffers. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/