From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:23:08 +0800 Message-ID: <87sk7krpyb.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <83634jglab.fsf@gnu.org> <831vf7ge57.fsf@gnu.org> <83y6hfeyzw.fsf@gnu.org> <83vdcig87f.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4sywpvv.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83tys2fbxs.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbo1iubm.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> <83ljddg0w9.fsf@gnu.org> <4BAE867D.3030404@gmail.com> <4BAE9ED4.6070900@t-online.de> <87tys12sdy.fsf@telefonica.net> <83hbo0gb5j.fsf@gnu.org> <87bpe85la1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83bpe82ong.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269818626 5061 80.91.229.12 (28 Mar 2010 23:23:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 29 01:23:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nw1pT-0001EK-IO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:23:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50479 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nw1pT-0005Xc-04 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nw1pN-0005VI-EI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:23:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52001 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nw1pM-0005TB-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:23:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nw1pK-0005C0-5y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:23:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gw0-f41.google.com ([74.125.83.41]:42080) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nw1p8-0005BJ-3O; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:23:18 -0400 Original-Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so8988937gwj.0 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:23:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=fzEy9U5k6PsQShm6ej6612SqWjUqP0Ip06duYF47P4Q=; b=M8dOajHJaVYviLAilqFcsf/fpzOgNVyk7hjeJaz2xkQeFtSDUuDyXkRe3Rr8hVhMSZ M6APKDDzMk5UnzEP8jkKpylc9Pda5YFqmBmqze7PM+48kkc8tflIfPRs+gyTmkIFR4TN /YkgYTIGZmIbMktfxZmO8pO8XYIhjweKonNmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=EVFSJ/3DwPCW+6y6BohpWBq+KtKqwW8QzGIpWOpK0JB3CvSOoWLegWe1CLEFjnlsUo kMidGYDdYWbV1/j9s1Ab+8ZuDl1G8VxEvEOCLNtC+M3ojToh7h7TnSZUgtuaazC5ydBc LLaWCEcc6hW9ylB7l3YR5atZse5gveCIEzIBc= Original-Received: by 10.101.26.38 with SMTP id d38mr7006719anj.198.1269818596530; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([202.87.221.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm917425ywf.5.2010.03.28.16.23.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 71A115F5; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:23:08 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: <83bpe82ong.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:10:27 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122834 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I understand the virtues of maintaining support for older systems, but >> the prospect of maintaining support for non-networked Windows 95, when >> there's no one to use or test or develop that support, does not fill me >> with enthusiasm. > > As far as I understood from what Jason said, the issue is not with > non-networked systems, the issue is with popping up the system's > dialup dialog when Emacs starts (and loads ws2_32.dll). Apologies if > I misunderstood. I may have been wrong about that problem being connected to the loading time - it is connected with the init_winsock function being called (the standard advice is to call it at startup, but we delay it in Emacs until networking is actually used for the first time). It should be easy to test this problem - disable any network devices you have, and configure a modem connection (you don't need to connect it to a phone line).