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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs RPC security
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:43:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sjt6jevg.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4DB5BA9E.5060309@gmail.com

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:17:02 -0700 Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@gmail.com> wrote: 

DC> On 4/25/11 11:02 AM, Ted Zlatanov wrote:

>> Of course, since the security is so weak right now, no one is using it
>> outside a limited one-user so you haven't seen any unusual cases.  I
>> would use it personally as a remote password server so all my
>> auth-source data doesn't live on all the machines I use.  I would also
>> use it to implement a remote synchronization facility for Gnus and BBDB.

DC> That's a fine goal, but you don't need to implement the requisite
DC> security in Emacs proper.  stunnel will give you a secure channel and,
DC> with client certificates, can authenticate both parties.  

I'd rather not rely on stunnel or any other external utilities.  My
experience with supporting them with Gnus, especially for W32 users, has
been painful.

DC> I'd prefer not to have a GnuTLS server in Emacs right now.

Even if stunnel works for some cases, I don't see why you're against a
built-in GnuTLS server now.  Are you concerned about performance and
memory usage, code bloat and maintenance cost, security issues,
documentation, user confusion, or something else?  Or do you mean you
want to delay the functionality until something else is done?

Thanks
Ted




  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-25 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-23 18:54 Emacs RPC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-04-24  3:21 ` T.V. Raman
2011-04-24 20:04   ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-24 20:24     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-04-25 17:55       ` Richard Stallman
2011-05-01 18:53         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-02  2:13           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-02 21:25             ` Chong Yidong
2011-05-02 22:54               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-04-24 20:26     ` Daniel Colascione
2011-04-25 17:56       ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-24 17:40 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-24 18:00   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-04-24 19:56     ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-25  1:21     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25  1:26       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-04-25  2:05         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 12:57       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 12:59     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 17:00 ` Emacs RPC security (was: Emacs RPC) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 17:35   ` Emacs RPC security Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 18:02     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 18:17       ` Daniel Colascione
2011-04-25 19:43         ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2011-04-25 18:38       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 18:57         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-01 18:55       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-01 22:02         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-01 22:19           ` Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el (was: Emacs RPC security) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-02 15:20             ` Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el James Cloos
2011-05-02 18:52             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-02 18:59               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-02 19:21                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-02 23:36                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  0:29                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03  1:01                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  1:22                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 22:04                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-04  1:37                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-30 17:45                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-30 18:07                                 ` Robert Pluim
2011-05-30 18:14                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-30 18:54                                     ` Robert Pluim
2011-05-30 19:13                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-30 19:43                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-30 23:10                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-31  7:11                                         ` Robert Pluim
2011-05-31 10:13                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-31 18:19                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-31 19:39                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-31 20:32                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-01  0:37                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-01  1:29                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-01  2:04                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-01 12:37                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-01 13:34                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-01 14:39                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-01 15:14                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-02  4:09                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-02  8:57                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-02 11:45                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-02 12:24                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-02 14:20                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-02 15:03                                                                       ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-02 15:31                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-03 21:54                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-05 15:11                                                                             ` netrc field encryption in auth-source (was: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-26 10:09                                                                               ` netrc field encryption in auth-source Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:43                                                                                 ` GPGME (was: netrc field encryption in auth-source) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27 21:47                                                                                   ` GPGME Daiki Ueno
2011-06-28 11:56                                                                                     ` GPGME Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28 20:36                                                                                       ` GPGME Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29  8:07                                                                                         ` secure plist store Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29  8:25                                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29  9:05                                                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 10:46                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 11:30                                                                                                 ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 12:38                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 13:39                                                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 10:54                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 11:59                                                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 12:58                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 14:34                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 18:31                                                                                                 ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-30 12:23                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-30 23:10                                                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2011-07-01 13:36                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 14:37                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 14:36                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-30  7:43                                                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-30 12:19                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-30 13:42                                                                                                 ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-30 14:54                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-30 22:18                                                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-30 22:34                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-07-01  2:28                                                                                                         ` Daiki Ueno
2011-07-01 13:18                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-07-03  2:13                                                                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 11:09                                                                                         ` GPGME Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 13:15                                                                                           ` GPGME Daiki Ueno
2011-06-29 17:21                                                                                             ` GPGME Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 18:41                                                                                               ` GPGME Daiki Ueno
2011-06-30 12:46                                                                                                 ` GPGME Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-02 13:09                                                                 ` Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-02 13:44                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2011-06-03 21:50                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-31  1:25                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-31 18:21                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-31 21:18                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-03 21:48                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-05 14:55                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-09 18:02                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-09 21:06                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-10 16:05                                                   ` netrc field encryption in auth-source (was: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-13 21:47                                                     ` netrc field encryption in auth-source Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-13 22:21                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-15 16:20                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-15 21:21                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-16  3:49                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-16  8:32                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-16 13:35                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-16 20:28                                                               ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-16 21:05                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-17  1:03                                                                 ` should docstrings include all defcustom options? (was: netrc field encryption in auth-source) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-17  7:17                                                               ` netrc field encryption in auth-source Robert Pluim
2011-06-17  9:32                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-17  9:53                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-17 10:21                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-21 19:32                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 19:51                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-21 20:19                                                               ` Committing new smtpmail.el later tonight (was: netrc field encryption in auth-source) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 21:01                                                                 ` Committing new smtpmail.el later tonight Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 22:07                                                                   ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-21 22:17                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 22:25                                                                       ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-21 22:36                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 22:46                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-21 22:57                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22  9:01                                                                               ` Antoine Levitt
2011-06-22  8:27                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22  8:30                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22  8:52                                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22  9:11                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22  9:17                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22  9:34                                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22  9:41                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 14:25                                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 14:49                                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 17:45                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22 18:48                                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-23  8:01                                                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22 15:51                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22 19:24                                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 20:27                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22 20:43                                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 21:36                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22  2:52                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 14:53                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 15:50                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2011-06-22 16:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 17:16                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22 19:50                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 19:56                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 21:32                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22 20:27                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-22 20:38                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 20:53                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-22 15:55                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-22 16:51                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 15:56                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-30 13:16                                                               ` netrc field encryption in auth-source Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-06 15:06                                               ` Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Stefan Monnier
2011-06-09 17:56                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-10 20:44                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-03 15:20                   ` client certs and CRL lists for GnuTLS (was: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 15:25                     ` client certs and CRL lists for GnuTLS Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03 15:47                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 21:54                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-04  1:39                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-08 20:59                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-05-09 10:52                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-09 15:00                                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-05-09 15:30                                   ` Gnus ERT tests inside Emacs (was: client certs and CRL lists for GnuTLS) Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-09 15:46                                     ` Gnus ERT tests inside Emacs David Engster
2011-05-09 15:58                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-11 21:36                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-02  9:37           ` Emacs RPC security Julien Danjou
2011-05-02 18:57           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-02 19:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-02 19:56               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-02 22:56                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  0:25                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03  0:51                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  1:12                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03  1:16                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  1:27                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03  1:34                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-03  2:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-03  6:24                         ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2011-05-03 13:47                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-03  0:35                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-26 12:13 ` Emacs RPC Sebastian Rose
2011-04-26 13:18   ` Stefan Monnier

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