From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: with-standard-io-syntax Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:09 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: <87sjbgqply.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1345559796 22512 80.91.229.3 (21 Aug 2012 14:36:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:36:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 21 16:36:35 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZG-0007Ff-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:36:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39978 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZE-0001Gj-MR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZB-0001GM-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZ8-0006vC-IB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38110) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZ8-0006uq-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3pZ4-00077c-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:36:18 +0200 Original-Received: from cl-pat-tr.clearspring.com ([8.18.54.254]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:36:18 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by cl-pat-tr.clearspring.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:36:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 15 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cl-pat-tr.clearspring.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Cancel-Lock: sha1:wui65eMuEcrt/SPA9aQdcLi1cI4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152707 Archived-At: The introduction of print-length and print-level requires the CL-like macro with-standard-io-syntax which would bind these (and all the future variables which break read-back consistency) to nil. Right now, (rgrep "print-length nil" "*.el" "~/src/emacs/trunk/" nil) produces two dozen places where print-length is bound to nil and a quick examination shows that the set of variable which need to be bound to nil for print-read consistency is not uniformly understood. I already have been bitten by this, and I think others will be sooner rather than later. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Ubuntu 12.04 (precise) X 11.0.11103000 http://www.childpsy.net/ http://camera.org http://mideasttruth.com http://thereligionofpeace.com http://palestinefacts.org http://ffii.org He who laughs last did not get the joke.