From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang vs free software Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:54:09 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87sisaaj5a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52DA8C17.4080707@yandex.ru> <52DC00E5.3020803@yandex.ru> <52DC6A26.3020003@yandex.ru> <87k3dv9z85.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87eh439w1n.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ha8yqvup.fsf@engster.org> <87r47zezcc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tzvatec.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390748072 29368 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2014 14:54:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:54:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 26 15:54:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6c-0000Ku-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:54:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6c-0007g3-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:54:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6T-0007eP-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:54:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6L-0006mN-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:54:29 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6L-0006mH-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:54:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W7R6J-0000BK-Pt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:54:19 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f52277.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.245.34.119]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:54:19 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f52277.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:54:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f52277.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:w5vxzBVNH98/8QBlJjFSGuCXNyc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169121 Archived-At: Helmut Eller writes: > On Sun, Jan 26 2014, David Kastrup wrote: > > [...] >> And it's rather exasperating if people keep pretending that nobody has >> thought about this before and that they have the better answers >> rendering decades of painstaking legal and technical work redundant. > > Now you have me convinced: working on GCC/Emacs integration would be a > waste of my time. If you are not willing to communicate with those who have to make and support decisions for maintaining the role GCC plays for promoting Free Software, it is indeed quite likely that you would invest time and effort that will ultimately not be integrated into GCC upstream (of course, you can still distribute your own GPLed version of GCC). Of course, this "I'll take over your project now and do everything right since you are incapable of doing so" attitude is not likely to lead to convincing results in a lot of other endeavors not necessarily related to Free Software. -- David Kastrup