From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:57:47 +0900 Message-ID: <87siipl184.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> <87egubopls.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83h9z77p7d.fsf@gnu.org> <8761fnnne9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543D8186.9000101@cs.ucla.edu> <87mw8ym3no.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543E0BFD.4020700@cs.ucla.edu> <878ukhn6n3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fvep665h.fsf@gnu.org> <877g01murc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83bnpd5x90.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbnllb71.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8361fl5rjg.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413392320 18371 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2014 16:58:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 15 18:58:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XeRu9-000064-8x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:58:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45803 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeRu8-0001YZ-Vc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:58:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeRtp-0001YR-3g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeRth-0000Iz-LH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:58:09 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:55017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeRtZ-0000EA-DP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:57:53 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC3F1C3948; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:57:47 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30C011A2C6C; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:57:47 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8361fl5rjg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175422 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > You assume that Grep and the terminal will not choke on the > non-Unicode characters. There's no basis for such an assumption. No basis at all. But that's not what I'm assuming. Just like you (and Emacs itself, which already has several files containing such non-Unicode characters), I'm simply assuming that GIGO will cause no harm. The difference is that in the longer run I plan to remove the problem by using the PUA, which you say can't be done in Emacs.