From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: maintaining FSF Emacs web page Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:57:42 -0600 Message-ID: <87sigsfyp5.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <85fvctkuts.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417888701 25912 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 17:58:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 18:58:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxJcR-0008Q0-1k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:58:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxJcQ-0005jm-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:58:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52737) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxJc7-0005jf-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:57:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxJc1-0003Zy-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:57:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yk0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231]:61619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxJc1-0003Zo-Ot for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yk0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so1202530ykp.36 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:57:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=qcFrGCqr561+fUXzv7T+xhq6z+FtGn58D81bWr9I1pk=; b=sYz+bhsR7nd6UlqoyWVPSp6IhVWP3Htsa0SV1itmeVnJxVrOS9axX4LzAry0AEMG1s 8U8jFtHMJcHUF3N51pwEF7MoNPzUDtqjutyh0RIgoY/F31RfgbFchm2RVeI0kxycnKZM /5MvRlfd30PuGgyunY09CAlQWUCKWLMHeNENu/R7HSXZTHeGWyptK+cZ8C2lg2/07vYY l/sBBWd5IHdupFQahz8D54WhZ2N/K1bFPDgLgi1TSF6y60uHBenfUrVNZYCCVi9OL8Ew 6CU1QsUkoxqSIwZSVui6Avq3vmA675O0kBOyco+BGuK2XWBj8U0RkyK1Z90F4x9INIWO l9hg== X-Received: by 10.236.62.228 with SMTP id y64mr23597004yhc.106.1417888664083; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:57:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (64-145-114-106.client.dsl.net. [64.145.114.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f71sm20116860yha.42.2014.12.06.09.57.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:57:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <85fvctkuts.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> (Stephen Leake's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:10:07 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179196 Archived-At: Stephen Leake writes: >I, for one, _much_ prefer editing text (markup or plain) to editing via >web browsers. I also prefer reading local files; Emacs is _very_ good at >searching and navigating among them (_much_ better than Firefox or >Chrome in a wiki). > >I hope you are open to considering such arguments. Oh, that's all I was ever proposing; no disagreement here. I was never proposing *editing* via a web browser. In a earlier post I gave the same criteria you give -- I wrote: > - Raw source is readable as-is > > - Has free software tools to generate good HTML > (and we then treat HTML as the default output format) > > - Markup syntax is not burdensome >That implies that there is also a mechanism that mirrors that directory >to a web host somewhere (as monotone does). Yes. This is a pretty typical way of maintaining project web pages: a post-commit / post-push trigger rebuilds the live web site HTML files. >I would be ok with that, but _only_ if sufficient people step up to >support it, with reasonable hope that they wont disappear after an >initial effort. Makes sense. I wish I had time to help with the plumbing parts of this, which are probably the hard parts (at least at first), but alas I don't. Best, -K