From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:26:39 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87sigpk3zk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw6yxeij.fsf@gnu.org> <8761dllwds.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d27tk4j9.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418088436 30092 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 01:27:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 01:27:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 09 02:27:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zy-0004NH-JB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:27:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zy-0001H1-4z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40667) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zp-0001GU-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:27:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zk-0003qs-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:26:57 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59088) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zk-0003qm-91 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy9Zh-0004HM-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:26:50 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.170.88]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:26:49 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:26:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:14+Jxed5jrVCP1Kfb4L+Oel8I18= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179509 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:27:59 +0100 David Kastrup wrote: > > DK> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>> I was answering your earlier question about evidence. Writing ASCII >>> docs and asking you [Eli] to merge them is not fair to you. > > DK> Shrug. Making use of voluntary work without contributing back anything > DK> at all is "not fair", and it's what the majority of Emacs users do. > DK> That's more or less a builtin and _wanted_ side effect that the > DK> contributors perfectly well are aware of. > > I mean, I could spend 15-30 minutes and get back to speed. Dumping work > on Eli doesn't scale, regardless of how willing he is to take it. How does it not scale? Do you think Eli will spend more time and effort on your manual entries than you, and when you write twice the amount, he'll have to invest more than twice the work? What does "doesn't scale" mean in this context? -- David Kastrup