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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190911 Archived-At: David Kastrup schrob am 04. Okt. 2015 um 23:34 Uhr dies: > Since there enough users who do not care one bit, you don't get one > without the other. The playfield is tilted. I guess the FSF is in a position where they can shuffle the playfield if they'd want to. > Oh definitely. And the GPL is restricting software to be used only as > a building piece for free software. That's its sole point. So the actual point of this was that a GNU Emacs maintainer has to enforce software restrictions to users? That sounds wrong. > Look, Windows 10 contains keyloggers that record any key combinations of > you and send them to Redmond to "make your computing experience more > enjoyable". You might have missed it, but Windows 10 *actually asks you* if you want to enable this feature during the first set-up steps, so it's basically opt-in. People who propagate the right to choose should appreciate this IMO. > People for whom such a system is a serious consideration do not care > about freedom one bit. This is not valid. I like my freedom, I use quite a couple of different operating systems, both free and non-free. The free ones are mostly used for technical reasons indeed, but I still do most of my work on Windows. Not because Windows was free or something, but because I can get my things done with it. Switching to another main OS would force me to develop an entirely new workflow - which would decrease my productivity. I still don't think I don't care about freedom. I might repeat myself: I am an active contributor to and user of some FLOSS projects (including some you might know), I just happen to have the /perfect/ workflow on Windows. Don't condemn me for wishing to use a tool (my computer) as a tool and not as a church. > If you can read through all that and wholeheartedly state "I agree", > then we don't have anything to offer, really. How many people have read Canonical's terms of service in the first place? > The best vegetarian dinner is a sideplate to a juicy steak, do you > agree? I like steak, so no complaints on this point... ;-) > The issue here was actually MacOSX, resulting in a reminder of the rule > that no functionality is to be introduced for non-free operating systems > that is not available for GNU/Linux. Which is a pretty OK rule, I just wanted you to consider that having a "broken by design" Windows or OSX version of a GNU tool will rather make people drop the tool than their operating system. >> Which is OK as long as it does not have a major influence in what he >> does IMO. > > In some respects, it will. Which would be those respects? > That makes it harder to find a person for > what amounts to an unpaid position since it means that the only person > doing such a job will have strong reasons of his own. The reason I suggested myself was that I wanted to contribute something to GNU Emacs because I love it and its community and I wish that I can give you something back. I guess that reason is strong enough and not in conflict with anything? Regards. JKL -- I could contain traces of nuts.