From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 09:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: <87shrsrcmr.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83vax0en1u.fsf@gnu.org> <87pon5ek3q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87twcgttjf.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86a8e7symk.fsf@realize.ch> <8737jzl4u9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8337jz8dg8.fsf@gnu.org> <83insv3tnl.fsf@gnu.org> <83d1j33qgg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831szh3iq4.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvi5spl9.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83mvi51y3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87instslxu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87eg3hsf8i.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87a8e2kjup.fsf@russet.org.uk> <874m4932te.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476864326 30118 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2016 08:05:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:05:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 10:05:23 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwls2-0005Vj-Oi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:05:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46196 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwls5-0002iX-1m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 04:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwloQ-0000kM-IV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 04:01:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwloM-00039w-Ra for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 04:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:52270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwloM-00038o-L6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 04:01:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=C9+YSvooWQRYzwVK5S3owiaevjAhTF3Ij5CS+KC7Iig=; b=XDZrj+hMuGNEvInfc6jpxLXfP0 lgEx4aLA7NfQE3KlbJQ76e7YJwggRJz5OGRlCgV8YTzV89luZO8iJ4XuLjD6nnLo8okDyV4EkBTt+ SGUvuRGuUValmoSZL7O+rLUEkjmXCV4B/B9t89xlSYYTC7qZkq4kKutCF0M2p5K79sae4RZl/Gl4Y yI/T0xrbjm9nRCciMngoq7XCXp7qjfxJTcs1uuD0Rous4vBTJGqMLgAPqNPf0+xWqCTh2woAZbmZ4 plb0/EQdnRd92auDKcGNYJIPUlpedYXt0zPoV8i37eQg8r8xQkf6jAYziWgJsgyhfK+Tj4KnEDZlG t+Gt+0lQ==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:34068 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bwloL-001Vf4-Kx; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 09:01:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874m4932te.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:54:53 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208462 Archived-At: Achim Gratz writes: > Phillip Lord writes: >>> Paackage.el has it's own limitations which unfortunately are also >>> highlighted by Org. Some of the files that go into ELPA Org are >>> actually generated by an upstream makefile so that the tarball that ELPA >>> distributes can be successfully installed within those limitations. >> >> Do tell. Which files are generated? > > Package.el cannot deal with a two-tiered autoloads structure, so > org-loaddefs.el must be distributed (the first-level org-autoloads is > generated by package.el). The other generated file is org-version.el. > >> Using package.el in core would force us to fix these things, I think, >> which is a good thing! > > No other package on ELPA uses such an autoload structure AFAIK. In > general, package.el or ELPA doesn't expect that anything needs to be > generated (save the .elc files). Yeah, that's true, and it's a pain. Several of my own packages generate their own documentation, and there is no way to support this. Likewise, the inability to support texinfo files and compile these. Phil