From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:38:41 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87shnuq1z2.fsf@flea> References: <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486165142 7571 195.159.176.226 (3 Feb 2017 23:39:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 23:39:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 04 00:38:57 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRQ-0001ka-94 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:38:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRV-0005dv-Rl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRQ-0005dd-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:38:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRN-0006NC-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:38:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56804 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRN-0006N4-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:38:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZnRD-0001KY-EK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:38:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:PIjk4FP7HgOmf0kfzA6bSH6JA2o= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211945 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:25 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: >> the reality is that there is a vast majority of free software >> advocates that uses websites without concern for the Javascript >> licenses. RS> That is why it is vital for the FSF to spread the message that this RS> is a bad thing to do. In order to do that without being hypocritical, RS> we have to set an example of doing what we say is right. ... RS> Developing GNU Emacs is a part of the GNU Project. RS> Winning freedom, defeating proprietary injustice, is its purpose. RS> That's why I wrote GNU Emacs in the first place. RS> You don't seem to value this purpose very much, so you resent that it RS> is the basis for our decisions. But that has to be the basis. Your implicit assumption here is that if any part of a service involves nonfree software (in this case, Docker Hub account registration and maintenance), then using any other part of the service (in this case, Docker Hub as an image repository) is against this purpose. That specific assumption, in my opinion, is overreaching and does not serve the original purpose you quoted, yet it has become an important argument for the FSF. Ted