From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please explain the FSF copyright assignment thing Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 13:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <87shi0xjzf.fsf@kwork> References: <87shi08bx5.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499971031 23061 195.159.176.226 (13 Jul 2017 18:37:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:37:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , Emacs developers To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 13 20:37:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dViyy-0005Sl-RR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 20:37:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33496 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dViz4-0001YG-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dViyC-0001Wh-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dViy8-00030l-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]:36900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dViy8-0002ym-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id m84so1421867ita.0 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:36:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5hjEBNSVcLMYHh6jqGbdokMyV36X1FeRBDwR6RCfPxY=; b=G0KJN555W+kXtgSWubcGQm4dGFU2e3Moesb4ctTco9wC0svKsjodGoSSmU/7K4rlyR tZbQym33KtoM663MGBzglTmB80ragXY11mhoQgW55b+Ubj7VeIAwvDxj81RgSzcWKdTL MDOWEhAYvtMyugjFicmHyouRQEJybLNO2eS4FE0MQz3jsDsaYe/YvYBfsN9Isg5+0HMO PV6Ror9sH+EVebEPiLlEkorcVDjXSraNOeFlWs5pq0JjsFQ3HYfPQrMzjV1o2asvnscD vwf/+DNS8m7ZgR+pJb5C9p2s3D4fa76pOEmA7mcqaGl+LPwIxNZ65k2jWYYBu8shoJlS /dKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5hjEBNSVcLMYHh6jqGbdokMyV36X1FeRBDwR6RCfPxY=; b=TgtUhJglpPmjaXYxf5FzjUxIepnvH0BX0i1/N7H9mFELYtyt2lngR24n+k2JAzs2xe tYMazeV9JPylumxNand+lyp03smjCKIcCQnw3kro4qKxJNVfAJvzY+gBJuGJUz/ER/3b pO/ZKtk2wW8V1gaxOHcB2MHMs6t39mYcbSTLbXPwLqNYaQsKVCefeCsvF2WlabmI6ElP l/zsj3p8egP5988fbagFIy8sSirZDHWwLlObPh5sEYgvG7sl3LACFpvhTBMYL9pjj0R1 o6INQtbVcSIo9ubkBAiZ/cCZzZglMIgpXnIz0YEExL4TPPaNJBKF+tiHGE0D64uT0ryA SR+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111gth8H4z1scACRLiXFprWCYCrfmxOwzzk3fQx1p2H0X3H4ws4h uWM6AQHMVNnroj+U X-Received: by 10.107.1.68 with SMTP id 65mr4895527iob.174.1499970965530; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from kwork (74-92-190-114-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h196sm3421685ioe.41.2017.07.13.11.36.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (John Yates's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:25:49 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216597 Archived-At: John Yates writes: >Perhaps you should ask why Richard decided that Magit, among all >of the many non-FSF copyright assigned packages that emacs users >recommend to one another, was so intolerable as to justify suggesting >mounting a - to my mind doomed - competing project.=C2=A0 It was not as if >all of those recommendations are for some proprietary or non-GPL-V3+ >package. Richard didn't do anything special in this case. He's fine with Magit bein= g distributed as free software, and fine with Emacs users downloading and u= sing Magit. People are still free to "recommend [Magit] to one another", j= ust as with any free software. The copyright assignment thing is solely about Magit being distributed *as = an official component of the GNU Emacs distribution*. All the packages tha= t are part of Emacs itself have always needed these copyright assignments. = I'm not commenting on whether this is legally necessary or not. I'm just = saying that the request here is exactly the same as the FSF has always made= for every other package that would be distributed as part of Emacs. Magit= did not get singled out for special treatment. -K