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From: Alex <agrambot@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: master d014a5e: Use fixed-pitch font for display-line-numbers
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:15:17 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shi08562.fsf@lylat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83k23cgny7.fsf@gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:07:21 +0700
>> Cc: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> 
>> >> Maybe, but the name ‘fixed-pitch-serif’ suggests a particular
>> >> presentation (a serif font), while ‘fixed-pitch’ does not.
>> >
>> > AFAIU, fixed-pitch just means Sans Serif, so it is also a particular
>> > presentation in that sense.
>> 
>> The name ‘fixed-pitch’ literally means only the fixedness of pitch and
>> says nothing about presence or absence of serifs.
>
> The name alone might suggest that, but the code tells a different
> story.  I thought you looked in the code and saw there something I
> missed, thus my questions.

Where does the code tell a different story? If you mean
`face-font-family-alternatives', then I believe it is faulty (see
below).

>> > And fixed-pitch definitely doesn't yield the
>> > same font as the default face on my system.
>> 
>> I would suggest that is a bug.
>
> It's not a bug, since the code was written to produce that effect.  (I
> think similar issue happens in the NS build.)

You're using Windows, correct? I just tried out Emacs 25.2 on a Windows
partition and I believe this a bug on Windows. I can't say anything
about the NS build.

In Emacs 25.2 on Windows 7, the default face is Courier New, a serif
font. GNU/Linux defaults to DejaVu Sans Mono, a sans-serif font. I don't
see why Windows should default to a serif font. FWIW, I checked a couple
of other popular text editors (Sublime and Atom), and they default to
Consolas (sans-serif) on Windows.

The bigger issue here is that fixed-pitch-serif on Windows defaults to a
sans-serif font (Consolas), and that fixed-pitch defaults to a serif
font (Courier -- not Courier New like the default font).

I believe the following should happen:

  * the defaults for the default face and fixed-pitch should align on
    all systems possible

  * fixed-pitch should default to what fixed-pitch serif does now
    (Consolas seems suitable)

  * fixed-pitch-serif should default to what the default face does
    currently

If this is done, then changing the line-number face to plain "Monospace"
should work fine even for Windows.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-13 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20170711151708.4322.33014@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20170711151709.2AE9822E0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-07-12  0:09   ` master d014a5e: Use fixed-pitch font for display-line-numbers Mark Oteiza
2017-07-12  2:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12  3:18       ` Mark Oteiza
2017-07-12 14:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 20:18           ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-14  6:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14  7:43               ` James Cloos
2017-07-14 11:16               ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-14 12:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12  8:06     ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 14:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13  6:13         ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 15:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 18:07             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 19:02               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 19:17                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-13 19:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-13 20:15                 ` Alex [this message]
2017-07-14  6:47                   ` Alex
2017-07-14  7:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14  6:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15  0:09                     ` Alex
2017-07-15  7:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14  3:00                 ` Stefan Monnier

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