From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fixing package-initialize, adding early init file Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <87shelv2m6.fsf@udel.edu> References: <83po9vos4z.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1508016696 3457 195.159.176.226 (14 Oct 2017 21:31:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:31:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rswgnu@gmail.com, radon.neon@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 14 23:31:31 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3U1m-00086x-Tr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 23:31:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55230 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3U1u-0000pT-5y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3U19-0000pO-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3U15-0003k2-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231]:44210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3U15-0003ji-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:43 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 8so25386450qtv.1 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q8t2ys+CrdL1GVy+r+pbAX2xZDz31X0OeiS+PhyG5IA=; b=NilVpVKyem8ebrubebOk1UotivFLc9VYGx7n4pWVKOJ81RSR+9qVWgAGBhDL+Lcdoj 808oqJTWNezgK20vAmBNgaVVN8xD3MKARKxUyRwH/qMiAdOTpD6aj0kSDb6wtAWUxR1P 1ieTnazMO0rIEupGoZdubqc200zru05ppetcEK+aoeOYCfjTNGGIGzXPSeCIYa7jcyYu DgfrHTgEVWre8w7Vm1ITaPn+VsHAgt30U/64UrKQZhHTCVwkhDS+R6+PTxh0N5oKNhvu EUg84XRVWGpDtduxNjKIh3YApixYSCi13Ew7YWGC8rV7rD51GIOFq6hKS+SxyXFJMtIj FleQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q8t2ys+CrdL1GVy+r+pbAX2xZDz31X0OeiS+PhyG5IA=; b=E2ixRlSfKNBUwSo7Qgvjq0r7nxIFMxOHg5VkHkVzHPpZhpT33HnXETFUamMFgle3Y6 e0GgHOolB0pKhDC9cu+uNgOi97ZFXv5sVEGy39KrK+LTsw4fzJeyAQbvM7iBpq8VKjT3 HiGivOU8u6AXpSnlV1MLZmxT/hbHu3OzXMQAOvd1Ti1Gki1gF0x41xXVZs2jwLsc8HXs a3PW2IM8xEfeSDqmW81MGYi2iB1bBoFUuediM3q1PXIyXcYBUrXy/uzh5z1lea++Vvg5 WlAaIeR++NlwTZgg6/C0E//pBsuPME33AN7A51J/cFerjW9YV8B73UmBbjjVLBf/MTIa 3ntg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX5V9yxzExgA6xKxty/tmKAWEzvALNWxuQw1QBLxzNZUJgsv64k 3GTBWTxwPQmq444YMMAjm+XWGQj/aCg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC4aftnxbZBS9NEUsNcM+YL+a0DOyLfc5jMVTA6wkyyMeVES9edYX5iwHuIJ7qktu4k27QTQg== X-Received: by 10.237.60.148 with SMTP id d20mr8426389qtf.118.1508016642245; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from logos (pool-173-67-36-61.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [173.67.36.61]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n24sm2578912qta.94.2017.10.14.14.30.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:30:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83po9vos4z.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:59:56 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219532 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Weiner >> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:52:32 -0400 >> Cc: emacs-devel >>=20 >> 1. For most Emacs users who do not program in Elisp, there should be >> only a single init file that they would personalize, generally as >> they find snippets of code they can cut and paste for their use.=E2=80=8B >>=20 >> 2. For Elispers, another optional init file for more fine-grained >> control would be okay, though not ideal. > > I think the proposed solution satisfies these requirements. The 2nd > init file is only needed if you want to tweak package initialization > by putting Lisp code into that 2nd file. Breaking the ability to do such tweaking with the init file we already have is insane.