From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, raeburn@raeburn.org, dancol@dancol.org,
Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:02:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sh998qb8.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1eszAM-0005Qn-Fs@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:10 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
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>
> > IMO the future of GUI apps and in our case editors, lies in browser
> > based frameworks programmable by some lisp dialect. For the moment it
> > would be a stack based on electron, clojurescript, codemirror, etc.
>
> I have a feeling we are talking about totally unrelated questions.
> I'm talking about extending Emacs to edit more kinds of _documents_.
> Documents with more and different layout features, but still _documents_.
>
> A document is a self-contained file of declarative data that you can
> display and edit on your computer, without any sort of network
> connection. And if you send it to me, I can display it too
> and it looks the same for me as for you.
No, it really isn't. A document is a user-centric feature -- it's a
piece of work that stores information in a way that it useful to the
user. The self-contained file notion is a developer issue. And,
document editing has moved partially (although not wholly) away from the
"your computer". People edit documents in editors built entirely on the
web. To show it to you, I just send the link.
Following your definition, MS Word becomes a document editor and MS Word
Online does not.
Phil
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2018-03-01 23:22 ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative (Was: Re: bug#30626) Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 6:31 ` Ken Raeburn
2018-03-05 13:11 ` What improvements would be truly useful? Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 14:02 ` John Yates
2018-03-05 17:21 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 16:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-05 17:32 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2018-03-05 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-05 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 23:05 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 23:16 ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 21:15 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-08 4:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08 9:16 ` Jefferson Carpenter
2018-03-08 9:17 ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-08 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 20:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-09 4:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 22:42 ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-11 17:02 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:01 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:30 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:49 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 10:56 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 16:02 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-10 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 15:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-05 19:05 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-03-05 20:55 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-05 23:05 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 11:02 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2018-03-09 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-10 20:23 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-11 23:26 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 17:57 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:32 ` dancol
2018-03-05 19:49 ` Variable-width font indentation Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 15:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-06 15:34 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:58 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 20:28 ` Variable-width font indentation Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 22:30 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 22:53 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 1:06 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 1:30 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 1:40 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 2:04 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 3:36 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:50 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 5:48 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 13:18 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:11 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 13:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:07 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 22:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 14:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 16:38 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:55 ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:20 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 18:53 ` Sam Steingold
2018-03-06 22:43 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-07 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 19:38 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 23:01 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 12:33 ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-08 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 15:15 ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-06 20:52 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 4:05 ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 13:33 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 14:18 ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 15:02 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:59 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 21:15 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 21:47 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:27 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:32 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:30 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 19:55 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 17:52 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 20:16 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 21:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 21:55 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-10 0:09 ` James Cloos
2018-03-10 8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 19:48 ` James Cloos
2018-03-10 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 22:18 ` James Cloos
2018-03-11 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 19:48 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 21:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:54 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-10 8:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 4:27 ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 11:42 ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 13:49 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 4:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 22:03 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 8:12 ` Variable-width font alignment Stephen Leake
2018-03-10 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 17:30 ` Stephen Leake
2018-03-10 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 7:42 ` Variable-width font indentation Stephen Leake
2018-03-06 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 19:59 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 23:05 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 16:04 ` Variable-width font indentation Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 18:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 20:56 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 20:55 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-07 7:05 ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 16:14 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:55 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 18:51 ` What improvements would be truly useful? Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-05 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 6:32 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-06 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:01 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07 5:45 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 17:49 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 18:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 21:45 ` Philipp Stephani
2018-03-08 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:24 ` Alan Third
2018-03-08 18:02 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 7:48 ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 21:15 ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-05 23:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-03-06 3:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-02 20:40 ` Continuous image scrolling (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 1:59 ` Continuous image scrolling Óscar Fuentes
2018-04-03 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-03 19:59 ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 20:20 ` Drew Adams
2018-04-04 19:54 ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 21:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-03 21:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-04 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 19:50 ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-05 6:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 23:31 ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05 2:45 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05 3:54 ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05 19:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05 22:59 ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-06 4:36 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-06 9:35 ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-04 19:19 ` John Wiegley
2018-03-05 22:09 ` What improvements would be truly useful? John Wiegley
2018-03-05 23:04 ` daniel sutton
2018-03-06 20:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 11:44 ` Toon Claes
2018-03-08 20:08 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-12 21:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-01 23:38 ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative Stefan Monnier
2018-03-02 0:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-02 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
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