From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU ELPA package discoverability Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:18:31 +0200 Organization: GNU Message-ID: <87sgf7w7x4.fsf@bzg.fr> References: <4e937898-ae46-710a-cbca-e452a1156fa1@yandex.ru> <2e630dc7-ba1d-e4c9-74b3-4da976db1e82@yandex.ru> <87imglg51l.fsf@gnu.org> <83d06txuv4.fsf@gnu.org> <871rn9l35o.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv05waob.fsf@gnu.org> <874ks5gtca.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7w4oh5x.fsf@sachachua.com> <87o8qclael.fsf@gnu.org> <877dwzo1nm.fsf@sachachua.com> <87pnajrvb4.fsf@bzg.fr> <83367eg6x4.fsf@gnu.org> <875zcas71l.fsf@gnu.org> <83k10pcrjv.fsf@gnu.org> <87d06g385p.fsf@bzg.fr> <835zc4abdj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="29227"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: sacha@sachachua.com, rms@gnu.org, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 07 11:19:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrSR-0007VS-12 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:19:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53522 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrSP-0003o1-S1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrRx-0003NH-CA for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:18:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrRx-0003CT-1f; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:18:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [185.165.34.104] (port=23688 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrRp-0005NU-E5; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:18:33 -0400 Original-Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 654451A60829; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:18:31 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251996 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > I think "Install Add-On Packages" is better. >> >> Add-On and Packages sound a bit redundant to me, but it's okay. > > I don't think this will be redundant to newbies. It also isn't > necessarily redundant in general, since "packages" exist in the core > as well. E.g., "C-h p" finds "packages". Okay. >> My motivation while pushing for a change here is to make it easier >> for users to customize package-archives, something I've seen asked >> very often. > > My question was what will this menu item lead to. IOW, what command > will it invoke, and what UI will that command present to users? My initial idea was for this item to invoke a command like (lambda () (interactive) (customize-variable 'package-archives)) but you said that variable customization was not okay in a menu. So my other suggestion is to move the Help item "Finding extra packages" into this menu. This would be: Tools Install Add-On Packages List available packages (aka M-x list-packages RET) Find extra packages (aka C-h C-e) And I'd also move "Search built-in packages" there: Tools Install Add-On Packages List available packages (aka M-x list-packages RET) Find extra packages (aka C-h C-e) Search built-in packages (aka C-h p) WDYT? -- Bastien