From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 14:31:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87sgbt939z.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y2nwo1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21485"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 14:32:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGK8-0005UT-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 14:32:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54558 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGK7-0005sj-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:32:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48774) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGJG-0005L5-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:31:46 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46062) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGJE-0001WP-NR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:31:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=f1TD2zh2H/0hTM6L6UGfT1favcGgR8o3eDVPA9K2FOY=; b=qzjAWTHgYSrrzXqSxuFFHeBO29 LLOKCEzA8PxLk0TADGbLh1vB1xXNszhz2wEetyxRJtKxlRpkfENPiMlhkuz3mBg+pIWRmvOpuT0U0 xBEx+yj7B24wqXF/jpqY0eVsJglTCRfkhj6f+f78/kEN8Bc03sMz8koXKMQPT0Fkpp4c=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGJ7-0007Su-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 14:31:40 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEX08PW7nLiih4Wx aF7///+ybgpJAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QJBwweItn9LqMAAAGUSURBVDjLnVNresMw CHN6AkMuMOAEgfvfbRJO1q6PHxtfk7aWkQTYY3yOTfCafLYx+WwnIB2bPMYzMOb56wnY5iswO6OB H6qOuS3VOe7iZ/r2Ij7f2HoQfwOcZd65f1d/Zcw5/hvu6ndRdbvkq6L8jIiqTDc1KQBeyVXsbsAA eAPchFBxrBdXuYdAcD3F9gbEDQ8BLIKIXLE2mZg7gASgho9GlofR2cpoqhBvgIIKEdpNJReYYvHC Lqm4gwkiSbeATqAcXwFXkUnrrAPOkKFmlCmW2rUaPQ4qmFAfi3AbXkYzzBAnsLNrxepheInrDuPV gYyjCdGrDFKyaob7AX9hBCgB/WaiR5njhsqzOU2V+UVFjP1WRSB1euwAYgFse8+j5ECjlqMFyAJg RAEk96T32dMeFIxo9wndZUdEMIHRjRNZdtFaqSPrAgIpqzy4xaRKoqlK2T7MxQncxUG8XyenunDY zc7AWI+92m9PjCNrAO6DZpUAuNDK8yT2jAKa7EsPpv56B26PV+q8Uf03vj5k7J8v3De3Z242s706 mQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0wOS0wN1QxMjozMDozMyswMDowMPTwLBgAAAAldEVY dGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMDktMDdUMTI6MzA6MzMrMDA6MDCFrZSkAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Mike Westbrook's _Love and Understanding_: "Love and Understanding" In-Reply-To: <83a6y2nwo1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 05:33:02 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254628 Archived-At: This just showed up in my feed: https://phaazon.net/blog/editors-in-2020 It's kinda interesting -- they go through a bunch of editors and list what works/doesn't work for them. Key quote: * The defaults of emacs are really, really bad. And making the whole thing = like what you get with DOOM Emacs is going to cost you lots of hours reading documentation and experimenting with your configuration. I enjoyed doing i= t but in the end=E2=80=A6 why simply not ship emacs with those defaults? Is it d= ue to historical reasons that no one cares about anymore nowadays? /stares at vim --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no