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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs default key bindings [was: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings?] Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2020 00:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87sgawp8ex.fsf@posteo.net> References: <364afb35-1cf9-4bd8-a34d-370dc428f950@default> <20201002192402.6oldqiknglyf54xl@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36791"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel , Thibaut Verron , Drew Adams , "T.V Raman" To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 03 00:33:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOTbs-0009RX-B9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 00:33:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53796 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOTbr-0000Dt-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 18:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOTa2-00084k-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 18:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:43751) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOTZy-0002To-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 18:31:09 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE682400FD for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2020 00:31:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1601677864; bh=HhXkQaDV+ESCqIVCpK+EzDPw+rk09HSDU+92rdctHiM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=kd16IiOfFY0ezDVYLGkmMYn6MTy01G3lGBsrAozQxnucU3Yx5o+NfTNV/JDkwhtvf kwCaG1E2gB1HY1+eUZcMBq1WcvwzJwohNWRvIuVWNauxRhILmwWdis1CKCl7OnzilV 3t1ucrQ+nO+NnHQe1s1zVe87O8+pC4sm2nFQbJ+iJO4kQKjplJ1wQkvT2lZJjv4Fo1 EUvIEUmHQCS00XdWn0638gdDmo4OhmK+3XIUi6YoLthHfIIp9lKlkirPGBQlMOevBm jjj+5NDB3s22QDJKrpdkF3qBy8h2w8Uge9FLzdPqAJhNtjWwyHWXnitslS0xXE05OQ 2/1lK9RqUrZGA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4C34TM2XyPz9rxL; Sat, 3 Oct 2020 00:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXmoX2BYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdA/YuGV2Dy6UZtMk+KfA7Nnlj38k22KQ/+sXVa2ttGaHm0O1Bo aWxpcCBLLiAoZ2VuZXJhdGVkIGJ5IGF1dG9jcnlwdC5lbCkgPHBoaWxpcEB3YXJwbWFpbC5uZXQ+ iJAEExYIADgWIQSx6XCgW+bhLMR4DmPClWiPoyRe6AUCXmoX2AIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDClWiPoyRe6IDNAP0eOlYoYIGVcCinuewkEb762T6lqA2hIHcNeRyX8LyQ8gEA krv4pIlZNLF+nBvaCtKvCPZF9428X50CvNvRHCNqgwe4OAReahfYEgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdACM09 XXce+t9YpOLbLdESh5g4RTY/0Zys7U1FapIZLA4DAQgHiHgEGBYIACAWIQSx6XCgW+bhLMR4DmPC lWiPoyRe6AUCXmoX2AIbDAAKCRDClWiPoyRe6LYcAQDn15KGn/E9MqloWN4mBJ7/tepYIk2IxrkZ imC531HsIAD+LKQYjorQosVe1oym0VZjmgKsem1kJZHG2tY601I+QwM= In-Reply-To: <20201002192402.6oldqiknglyf54xl@Ergus> (Ergus's message of "Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:24:02 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/02 18:31:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256975 Archived-At: Ergus writes: > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 11:14:48AM -0700, Drew Adams wrote: >>> Perhaps it's time we opened up some additional keymaps... > > AFAIR: > > C-x is reserved for emacs internal use. > C-c for users. According to "(elisp) Key Binding Conventions": > Sequences consisting of =E2=80=98C-c=E2=80=99 followed by a control chara= cter or a > digit are reserved for major modes. (not the exceptions listed in the info node) while C-x is a lot safer for users. It would be very unusual for a major mode to rebind "C-x ...", which is why I bind most of my local functions to that map. On the other hand, something like C-c C-... will often be shadowed by a major mode minor mode, hence I don't bother trying. --=20 Philip K.